In this episode, Darrin sits down with leadership coach and new author Jo Lein to explore what really drives change in people and organizations—and why most coaching efforts fall short when they focus only on skills.

Jo introduces the concept of Disruptive Mindset Coaching, challenging leaders to move beyond surface-level fixes and address the beliefs that shape behavior.

Topics Covered:

• The difference between skill gaps and belief barriers
• Why people aren’t “uncoachable”—they’re often operating from protective patterns
• The three common patterns that show up in resistant behavior:
• Detaching
• Surrendering
• Overcompensating
• How identity, values, and skill all influence leadership behavior
• Why systems in education are built on underlying beliefs—and how those beliefs shape outcomes
• The danger of compliance culture in schools
• What it means to “burn the script” as a leader
• How leaders can create environments where innovation and growth are possible

About Jo Lein:

Jo Lein is a leadership coach, writer, and educator who helps leaders break through limiting beliefs and transform practice. She is the author of Burn the Script, where she introduces her framework for Disruptive Mindset Coaching.

Connect with Jo:

• TikTok & Instagram: @educoachbyjo
• Substack: jolein.substack.com

Sponsor Spotlight:

This episode is sponsored by HeyTutor.

HeyTutor partners with schools and districts nationwide to provide evidence-based high-dosage tutoring support in Math and ELA while helping schools remain intentional about staff capacity and student support systems.

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