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  • 26 Years of Parental Alienation: Anger, Hope & Learning - Episode 131

    In this insightful conversation, Lisa Cohen shares her 26-year journey through parental alienation, detailing the emotional turmoil, the challenges of navigating the court system, and the importance of community support. She reflects on her evolution from anger to acceptance, the role of service in her healing process, and the lessons learned along the way. Lisa emphasizes the need for self-care, resilience, and the hope that one day her children will find their way back to her. This discussion serves as a beacon of hope for those facing similar struggles, highlighting the importance of living a full life while navigating the complexities of family dynamics.

    Key Takeaways

    • Parental alienation can lead to deep emotional pain and anger.
    • Community support is crucial for healing and resilience.
    • Navigating the court system can be a long and arduous process.
    • Self-care and living a fulfilling life are essential for parents in crisis.
    • Hope exists, but it must be tempered with realism.
    • Service to others can be a powerful tool for personal healing.
    • It's important to embrace life and find joy amidst struggles.
    • Children may not recognize their own challenges due to alienation.
    • The journey of healing is ongoing and requires patience.
    • Every parent's experience with alienation is unique, but shared struggles can foster connection.

    Chapters

    00:00 - Navigating Parental Alienation: A Mother's Journey 
    02:43 - The Evolution of Pain: From Anger to Acceptance 
    05:58 - Finding Community: The Power of Support Groups 
    08:41 - The Long Road: Understanding the Court System 
    11:57 - Living with Hope: The Reality of Alienation
    14:45 - Embracing Life: Finding Joy Amidst Struggles 
    17:46 - The Role of Service: Helping Others Heal 
    20:46 - Lessons Learned: Advice for Parents in Crisis 
    23:42 - The Importance of Self-Care: Living Fully 
    26:48 - Legacy and Hope: A Mother's Unwavering Love

    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:

    Email - [email protected]
    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss
    (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)

    Connect with Lisa Cohen:
    https://www.jump-parenting.org.uk

    Please donate to support PAA programs:
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    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    40 min
  • 5 Reasons Parental Alienation Happens and How Healing Is Still Possible - Episode 130

    Lawrence Joss delves into the complex issue of parental alienation and estrangement, emphasizing that these challenges are not merely family issues but systemic problems that require a broader understanding and intervention. He introduces five key reasons that contribute to these dynamics, drawing insights from therapist Kathy Himlin, who has extensive experience working with families affected by these issues. The conversation highlights the emotional turmoil children face when feeling rejected by a parent, the detrimental effects of prolonged separation, and the role of the legal system in exacerbating these problems. Joss and Himlin discuss actionable steps for parents to repair relationships and the importance of attachment-focused parenting in fostering reconnection.

    Key Takeaways

    • Parental alienation is a systemic issue, not just a family problem.
    • Children often feel rejected when they reject a parent, indicating an attachment rupture.
    • Time without contact deepens trauma and reinforces feelings of rejection.
    • The legal system can worsen family dynamics by prioritizing litigation over healing.
    • Attachment-focused parenting can help reopen doors to connection.

    Chapters

    00:00 – Parental Alienation Is More Than a Family Problem
     01:06 – Who This Episode Is For & Why Awareness Matters
     01:55 – Children Reject When They Feel Rejected
     03:33 – Understanding Attachment Ruptures in Development
     05:04 – Why Time Without Contact Deepens Trauma
     07:01 – Foster Care vs. Family Court: A Critical Gap
     08:45 – How the Legal System Can Worsen Alienation
     09:29 – When Litigation Replaces Healing
     10:20 – Attachment-Focused Parenting That Reopens Doors
     13:39 – Healing Is Still Possible, Even After Years

    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:

    Email - [email protected]
    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss
    (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)

    Connect with Dr. Rebecca Bailey:
    https://polyvagalequineinstitute.com

    Please donate to support PAA programs:
    https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom part

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email- [email protected]

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    20 min
  • Equine Therapy, Polyvagal Theory & Healing Parental Alienation w/ Dr. Rebecca Bailey Part 2 - Episode 129

    In Part 2 of this conversation, Lawrence Joss continues his dialogue with psychologist and Polyvagal Equine Institute founder Dr. Rebecca Bailey, exploring how equine therapy and everyday interactions with animals support nervous system regulation and healing in the context of parental alienation and family trauma. Drawing from decades of clinical work, Dr. Bailey shares powerful stories that show how horses mirror emotional states, challenge rigid narratives, and create moments of connection, humor, and perspective. Together, they highlight why healing doesn’t always come through talking, how safety and consent shape meaningful therapeutic work, and how parents can continue parenting, even without access, by focusing on regulation, connection, and inner stability.

    Key Takeaways

    • Equine therapy offers unique access points for emotional healing.
    • Personal relationships with animals can enhance emotional regulation.
    • Co-regulation is essential for emotional well-being and therapy.
    • Horses can help individuals process trauma without delving into past experiences.
    • Therapists must prioritize informed consent and safety in equine therapy.
    • The evolution of equine therapy practices reflects changing societal needs.
    • Reality clarification can help families understand their dynamics better.
    • Co-regulation can occur between humans and horses, fostering emotional connection.
    • Future equine therapy practices should focus on high standards and training.
    • Therapists should empower clients to be experts in their own emotional regulation.

    Chapters

    00:00 - Introduction to Equine Therapy and Emotional Regulation
    02:48 - Personal Experiences with Animals and Emotional Connection
    05:47 - The Role of Horses in Therapy and Co-Regulation
    08:58 - Understanding Trauma and the Therapeutic Process
    11:53 - The Evolution of Equine Therapy Practices
    14:53 - Co-Regulation and Its Importance in Therapy
    17:47 - Anecdotes and Insights from Equine Therapy Sessions
    20:52 - Future of Equine Therapy and Coaching
    24:03 - Concluding Thoughts on Emotional Healing and Connection

    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:

    Email - [email protected]
    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss
    (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)

    Connect with Dr. Rebecca Bailey:
    https://polyvagalequineinstitute.com

    Please donate to support PAA programs:
    https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom part

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    30 min
  • Equine Therapy, Polyvagal Theory & Healing Parental Alienation w/ Dr. Rebecca Bailey Part 1 - Episode 128

    This conversation explores the profound impact of equine therapy on emotional healing, particularly in the context of family dynamics and parental alienation. The discussion highlights how working with horses can help individuals understand their nervous systems, build trust, and navigate complex emotions. Through engaging stories and insights, the speakers illustrate the unique therapeutic process that equine therapy offers, emphasizing the importance of co-regulation, humor, and the unpredictability of life in the healing journey.

    Key Takeaways

    • Equine therapy helps individuals learn about their own nervous system.
    • The presence of horses can facilitate emotional safety and connection.
    • Children often project their feelings onto horses, aiding in therapy.
    • Building trust with horses reflects the importance of boundaries in relationships.
    • Humor can be a powerful tool in therapeutic settings.
    • Equine therapy can help navigate high-conflict family dynamics.
    • The process of co-regulation is essential for emotional healing.
    • Horses model the ability to calm down after being startled.
    • Therapy with horses allows access to emotions that traditional methods may not reach.
    • The unpredictability of life is mirrored in the interactions with horses.

    Chapters

    00:00 - Understanding Equine Therapy and Its Context
     02:54 - The Role of the Nervous System in Therapy
     05:50 - Equine Therapy: A Unique Approach to Healing
     08:44 - The Connection Between Horses and Human Emotions
     12:05 - Navigating Family Dynamics Through Equine Therapy
     14:51 - Practical Applications of Equine Therapy
     18:03 - The Impact of Trauma on Children and Families
     20:48 - Building Trust and Boundaries with Horses
     23:45 - The Unpredictability of Life and Therapy
     26:52 - Conclusion: The Healing Power of Horses

    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:

    Email - [email protected]
    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss
    (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)

    Connect with Dr. Rebecca Bailey:
    https://polyvagalequineinstitute.com

    Please donate to support PAA programs:
    https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom part

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    34 min
  • Re-Parenting, Legacy & Emotional Inheritance in Parental Alienation Part 2 - Episode 127

    This conversation explores the transformative power of travel and cultural experiences in shaping family dynamics and personal growth. The speakers discuss the impact of parental alienation, the evolution of fatherhood, and the importance of being present in children's lives. They share insights on cultural connections, ancestry, and the significance of community in nurturing relationships. The discussion also delves into the themes of failure, recovery, and the journey of writing a book that encapsulates their experiences.

    Key Takeaways

    • Travel can provide children with a broader perspective on life.
    • Cultural experiences can strengthen family bonds and connections.
    • Fatherhood is evolving from transactional to transformational.
    • Being present with children is more important than perfection.
    • Understanding ancestry can deepen children's sense of identity.
    • Community plays a crucial role in family dynamics.
    • Personal growth often comes from embracing failure and learning from it.
    • Intentional parenting can help break cycles of alienation.
    • The power of pausing allows for reflection and growth.
    • Sharing stories can inspire others and foster connection.

    Chapters

    00:00 - Navigating Parental Alienation Through Global Experiences
     03:32 - Transforming Perspectives on Fatherhood
     11:49 - Cultural Connections and Ancestry
     15:52 - The Power of Presence and Intentionality
     20:51 - Embracing Failure and Recovery
     25:20 - Reflections on Change and Community Support
     27:11 - Navigating Parental Alienation Through Global Experiences
     30:44 - Transforming Perspectives on Fatherhood
     39:19 - Cultural Connections and Ancestry
     46:01 - The Power of Pausing and Personal Growth
     49:02 - Understanding Failure Immunity
     52:32 - Hope and Intentional Parenting


    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:
     
     Email - [email protected]
     Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss
     (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)
     
     Please donate to support PAA programs:
     https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom part

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    27 min
  • Re-Parenting, Legacy & Emotional Inheritance in Parental Alienation Part 1 - Episode 126

    Lawrence Joss engages in a deep conversation with Charles Achampong about the transformative experience of taking a family trip around the world. They explore themes of parenting, reparenting, emotional inheritance, and the impact of travel on family dynamics. Charles shares insights on legacy, the importance of cultural exposure, and the challenges of navigating family connections, especially in the context of parental alienation. The discussion highlights the lessons learned from their journey and the lasting effects on their children's development and understanding of the world.

    Key Takeaways

    • Traveling can significantly influence children's perspectives and resilience.
    • Legacy is about the experiences and memories we create with our children.
    • Emotional inheritance includes the coping mechanisms and feelings passed down through families.
    • Understanding one's ancestry can enrich a child's sense of identity.
    • Traveling as a family can strengthen bonds and create lasting memories.
    • Children can adapt and thrive in new environments, given the right support.
    • The importance of allowing children to express their emotions and experiences.
    • Cultural exposure can broaden children's understanding of the world.
    • Planning and communication are key when making significant family decisions.
    • Reintegration into daily life after travel can present challenges for families.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Parenting and Reparenting
    02:43 The Impact of Travel on Family Dynamics
    05:54 Understanding Legacy and Emotional Inheritance
    09:57 Navigating Family Connections and Ancestry
    13:57 The Challenges of Traveling with Children
    17:56 Lessons Learned from a World Trip
    21:06 The Importance of Cultural Exposure
    23:40 The Decision to Take a Family Sabbatical
    27:53 Reintegration into Daily Life
    32:01 Reflections on Fatherhood and Parenting
    35:47 Conclusion and Call to Action

    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:

    Email - [email protected]
    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss
    (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)

    Please donate to support PAA programs:
    https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom part

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    38 min
  • Surviving the Holidays with Parental Alienation, Grief & Healing - Episode 125

    Lawrence Joss discusses the emotional complexities surrounding the holidays, particularly for those experiencing parental alienation and estrangement. He emphasizes the importance of acknowledging feelings of grief, loneliness, and frustration while also highlighting coping strategies such as having a plan, seeking community support, and reframing negative thoughts. Joss encourages listeners to create new traditions and find ways to connect with loved ones, even in their absence, while practicing self-care and compassion during this challenging time.

    Key Takeaways

    • The holidays can amplify feelings of joy and pain.
    • It's important to acknowledge the struggles of parental alienation.
    • Having a plan for the holidays can help mitigate emotional distress.
    • Resentment can be harmful; finding ways to address it is crucial.
    • Creating new traditions can help in coping with loss.
    • Community support is vital during the holidays.
    • Self-care practices are essential for emotional well-being.
    • Triggers are inevitable; being prepared can help manage them.
    • Reframing negative thoughts can shift your perspective.
    • It's important to remember that the holiday season is temporary.

    Chapters

    0:00 - Welcome And Holiday Theme
     1:44 - Memories and Mixed Gratitude
     2:44 - How Holidays Amplify Joy and Pain
     4:35 - Stages of Alienation and Planning Ahead
     7:05 - Service and Hope as an Antiseptic
     8:36 - Naming Invisible Loss and Emotions
     10:18 - Forgiveness Work and Releasing Resentments
     12:05 - Anticipating Triggers and Setting Boundaries
     15:10 - Communicating Needs and Seeking Consent
     18:08 - Self-Care Planning and Safe People
     20:10 - Creating New Rituals and Continuing to Live
     22:28 - Reframing Painful Holiday Stories
     24:20 - Shame, Self-Forgiveness, and Repair
     26:04 - Commemorating Loved Ones From Afar
     28:12 - Closing Wishes and Community Reflection

    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:

    Email - [email protected]
    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss
    (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)

    Please donate to support PAA programs:
    https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom part

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    31 min
  • False Allegations & High-Conflict Mediation w/ Matthew Brickman Part 2 - Ep124

    Lawrence Joss continues his conversation with Matthew Brickman, a Supreme Court Certified Mediator in Florida. They delve into the intricacies of mediation, discussing its purpose, the role of mediators, and how to select the right one. Matthew shares insights from his extensive experience, emphasizing the importance of continuous learning and personal growth in the field of mediation. The conversation also touches on the emotional aspects of conflict resolution and the significance of empowering individuals during the mediation process.

    Key Takeaways

    • Mediation provides a structured environment for conflict resolution.
    • The transition from emotional to business-like relationships is crucial in mediation.
    • Understanding the four Ds of conflict: dismissed, disrespected, disvalued, disenfranchised.
    • Mediation is often mandatory before court proceedings in many states.
    • Choosing the right mediator involves research and personal fit.
    • Continuous education and experience are vital for effective mediation.
    • Mediators should empower clients to navigate their conflicts.
    • High conflict situations often require separate rooms during mediation.
    • Mediation can save time and money compared to court proceedings.
    • Personal growth and emotional intelligence are essential in conflict resolution.

    Chapters
    0:39 - Introducing Matthew Brickman
    1:49 - Community and Resources for Parents
    2:02 - Owning Mistakes and Elevating Kids
    4:24 - What Mediation Is and Isn’t
    6:27 - From Romance to Business: Kid Inc
    8:50 - The Four D’s of Conflict
    10:49 - States, Statutes, and Mandatory Mediation
    13:43 - Why Courts Push Mediation
    16:05 - With or Without Attorneys
    20:03 - Neutrality, Bias, and Trust
    22:08 - How to Choose a Mediator
    31:16 - Continuous Learning and Fit

    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:

    Email - [email protected]
    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss
    (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)

    Connect with Matthew Brickman:
    https://ichatmediation.com/⁩

    Please donate to support PAA programs:
    https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom part

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    40 min
  • False Allegations & High-Conflict Mediation w/ Matthew Brickman Part 1 - EP123

    Lawrence and Matthew delves into the complexities of family dynamics, particularly focusing on the impact of parental relationships on children. It highlights a troubling incident where a mother instructs her child to make false accusations against the father, leading to legal repercussions and involvement from child services. The discussion emphasizes the emotional and psychological toll such situations can have on families.

    Key Takeaways

    • The influence of parental relationships on children's behavior.
    • False accusations can lead to serious legal consequences.
    • The role of child services in family disputes.
    • The emotional impact of family dynamics on children.
    • Communication breakdowns can escalate conflicts between parents.
    • Support systems are crucial in navigating family issues.
    • Understanding the legal framework surrounding child custody disputes.
    • The importance of maintaining a stable environment for children.
    • The psychological effects of parental conflict on children.
    • The need for open dialogue in co-parenting situations.

    Chapters

    0:00 – Opening: The Healing Journey & Welcome
     2:02 – Why Picking The Right Mediator Matters
     3:10 – Matthew’s Background In Family Mediation
     4:26 – When Amicable Turns Into A Bloodbath
     7:06 – False Allegations And DCF At The Door
     10:50 – Covert Alienation In Our Body Language
     12:42 – First-Time Crisis: What To Do
     16:30 – From Shock To Service: Becoming A GAL
     20:00 – Therapy As A Safe Conversation Space
     23:15 – Kids Surviving By Saying What You Want
     26:00 – Shift Focus: Build Children, Not Cases
     30:00 – Adult Children, Lingering Impacts & New Norms
     37:00 – Winning Peace By Letting Go
     40:00 – Mediating Between Ex And Son
     43:05 – Reflection, Resources, And Closing

    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:

    Email - [email protected]

    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss

    (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)

    Connect with Matthew Brickman:
    Website: https://ichatmediation.com/⁩

    Please donate to support PAA programs:

    https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom part

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    54 min
  • Systemic Parental Alienation, Family Hierarchy & Survival w/ Dr. Azzopardi Part 2 - Episode 122

    The conversation delves into the complexities of relationship problems faced by couples, emphasizing the common issues stemming from parenting and intimacy. It highlights the tendency of couples to seek external advice rather than resolving conflicts directly, and critiques the reliance on legal solutions for emotional and relational problems, advocating for a more psychological approach.

    Key Takeaways

    • Couples often face problems related to parenting or intimacy.
    • Many couples avoid negotiating their issues directly.
    • External influences complicate conflict resolution.
    • Legal solutions are often misapplied to emotional problems.
    • Emotional and relational issues require psychological approaches.
    • Communication is key in resolving marital conflicts.
    • Seeking help from friends or family can lead to confusion.
    • Understanding the root cause of problems is essential.
    • Negotiation skills are crucial for couples.
    • Legal tools do not address emotional needs.

    Chapter

    1:20 - Systems theory meets family courts
     2:44 - Family patterns and learned levers
     4:16 - Attachment shifts during pregnancy
     5:23 - Limits to self-reflection and change
     6:59 - Expanding system: courts and professionals
     7:52 - How politics shape couple conflict
     11:04 - GDP, school pressure, and home stress
     13:07 - Navigating legal systems in divorce
     15:04 - Reciprocity and influence in relationships
     17:05 - No legal fix for emotional needs
     19:10 - Prevention through systemic therapy
     21:07 - Challenging constructs and parenting norms
     23:05 - Journal and master’s on alienation
     25:07 - Closing reflections and resources


    If you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:

    Email - [email protected]
    Linktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss
    (All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)

    Connect with Dr Charlie Azzopardi:
    Website: https://ift-malta.com/⁩
    Courses (IFT Malta): https://ift-malta.com/courses-2/
    European Journal of Parental Alienation (EJPAP):
    https://ift-malta.com/elementor-1206/

    Please donate to support PAA programs:
    https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom part

    This podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:
    Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-host
    Glaze Gonzales- Podcast Manager

    Connect with Lawrence Joss:
    Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/
    Email-         [email protected]

    33 min

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