Feminine Chaos

Kat and Phoebe discuss the Doordash discourse, the Epstein files, and (very briefly) the closure of the Kennedy Center for a two-year gold leafening. Also, book news!

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Kat on tour!

How DoorDash and Other Food Delivery Apps Are Reshaping Mealtime in the U.S. - The New York Times

Phoebe on out-of-season asparaus

Nellie Bowles: The Journalist and the Epstein

Kat on the Kennedy Center’s head in a box

Kat and Phoebe discuss some freaky hands we saw on television and how we’re getting real “getting Boss Baby vibes” vibes from some of the ICE protest discourse.

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The baby hands:

Kat and Phoebe discuss a viral sweater for single ladies, the difference between ideology and sensibility, and Kat’s latest investigative reporting on a MeToo’d man.

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Kat and Phoebe discuss social media, stolen brains, the decorating prowess of Donald Trump, a writerly beef over who is or is not fancy, and a curious piece of fanfiction written about one of your Feminine Chaos co-hosts.

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Kat on the Kennedy Center:

What’s the opposite of fan fiction? (Kat responds in the top comment.)

The origin story of Kat’s feud …

Kat and Phoebe discuss last month’s big viral article on the plight of the millennial white guy (and violently disagree)! Also: Kat confesses to being a diversity hire, and Phoebe vows to professionally wrestle any man who dares tread on the sacred turf of straightness studies. This is our free episode for January; if you enjoy it, please consider subscribing!

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Jacob Savage, unlike Dan Savage, knows not where the men are: https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-lost-generation/

Jacob Savage’s previous disappearance-based essay: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-vanishing

Oliver Traldi doing straight men studies: https://thepointmag.com/criticism/the-masculine-mystique/

Kat and Phoebe discuss the pressure to be part of a clique, the (over?) valuation of female friendship, Phoebe’s thesis on heteronormativity, and Kat’s theory of the naturally-occurring eccentrics who just vant to be alohn.

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Early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss modern love, traditional marriage, and the New York Times “gray divorcée” who is the latest main character in the discourse.

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The original offense: Opinion | It’s OK That Our Long, Mostly Good Marriage Ended - The New York Times

The origin story: His and Her Books Tattle on Marriage - The New York Times

Kat’s interview with Cathi: Two Drinks with. . . a Very Modern Lover

Phoebe on Overcorrections:

In a special post-Thanksgiving dispatch, Kat and Phoebe discuss dead squirrel drama, stupid murderers, dine-and-dash influencers who might be robots, and the seasonal affliction known as Labubu Buyer’s Remorse.

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Irresistible Deals Put Them in Debt. Now They’re Trying to Manage Their Overspending.

How Not to Get Away With Murder: The stranger-than-fic…

Kat tells a story about stalking a businessman in a London suburb; Phoebe tells the origin story of the shirtless men on her book jacket. Then: a discussion on the latest in male cancellations, and, by popular demand, the Olivia Nuzzi book excerpt and surrounding drama.

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As Summers Sought Clandesti…

Early access for paid subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss female testosterone junkies and an essay about feminization that broke the internet.

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Susan Dominus’s incredible article about women doing the T for non-trans reasons: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/22/magazine/testosterone-women-health-sex-libido-menopause.html

Phoebe’s got a long beard now:

Helen Andrews in Compact: https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-great-feminization/

Kat’s marriage proposal to Helen Andrews:

Phoebe will NOT be attending the Kat-Helen wedding:

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