Most of us working on catastrophic and existential threats focus on trying to prevent them — not on figuring out how to survive the aftermath. But what if, despite everyone’s best efforts, humanity does undergo such a catastrophe? This month’s podcast is all about what we can do in the present to ensure humanity’s survival in a future worst-case scenario. Ariel is joined by Dave Denkenberger and Joshua Pearce, co-authors of the book Feeding Everyone No Matter What, who explain what would constitute a catastrophic event, what it would take to feed the global population, and how their research could help address world hunger today. They also discuss infrastructural preparations, appropriate technology, and why it’s worth investing in these efforts.

Topics discussed include:

-Causes of global catastrophe

-Planning for catastrophic events

-Getting governments onboard

-Application to current crises

-Alternative food sources

-Historical precedence for societal collapse

-Appropriate technology

-Hardwired optimism

-Surprising things that could save lives

-Climate change and adaptation

-Moral hazards

-Why it’s in the best interest of the global wealthy to make food more available