Gabby Bernstein joins Gaby for a chat about all things joy!

She explains the therapy system (Internal Family Systems Therapy) that helped her heal the trauma from her childhood, which had led to addiction in her adult life. 

They discuss why we shouldn't be afraid of the term "self help" - and why more people should be looking to heal.

Gabby believes her purpose is to provide people with the tools they need to do the work themselves, which led on to noting the importance of fame for good and to help others, and not to fuel the need to be seen. 

We hope you enjoy the honest and frank chat - and the joy that comes from it!

***Trigger warning***

Please note child sexual abuse and addiction are referenced in this episode.

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