Gary Kemp joins Gaby for a natter about all things joy. (and Gaby still can't believe she's speaking to someone who she used to have a poster of on her wall!)

He talks about the joys of being alone, sometimes, and just walking in a city not really knowing where you're going. He talks about his love of art and how it is a huge part of his life. And then, there's music. And we discuss his incredible career from Spandau Ballet to now, and his new solo album.

From doomscrolling in the morning to sitting in a church in silence, there are some do's and don'ts for everyone in this episode.

We hope you enjoy it! (And remember you can watch all our episodes on our YouTube channel - as well as watching our Friday Show N Tell extra nugget of joy!)

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