After a few years’ break, I finally caught up with my good friend Frank Schaeffer, who of course is the son of the famous Francis Schaeffer. His father not only shaped my views as an evangelical, but indeed an entire generation–and together with Frank, helped kickstart the “pro-life,” anti-abortion evangelical movement in America.

Frank and I discuss not only his work in light of the overturning of Roe v. Wade–something he predicted with the installation of Supreme Court justice Amy Coney Barrett during the Trump era–we also dive into gun rights, mass shootings, and the collateral damage these issues are causing in our world today.

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