In my first Green Byte episode, I'm discussing Veganism. A recent film was released called 'The Game Changers' which promotes veganism but fails to provide a balanced debate on a hot topic. In this short Unstress episode I raise some issues that I feel the film and veganism itself does not.

Selected Links from the Episode:

The Game Changer film

Matthew Evans Article: Why meat is more than a question of blood and guts 

Unstress episode with Professor Fred Provenza

Unstress episode with Dr Gary Fettke

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Dr Ron Ehrlich: Hello and welcome to Green Byte. My name is Dr Ron Ehrlich. I wanted to address the issue of veganism because it's a big one. A film came out recently called The Game Changer produced by Titanic's director and producer, James Cameron. So, of course, it would be a very high standard and it was a very compelling message. And of course, I think it probably changed a lot of people's attitude to veganism. I think it's interesting to note that as I delved into it in more detail, I realized that James Cameron has an interest in the vegan industry. So perhaps one could argue there is a conflict of interest there. But putting it aside, I wanted to address the issue of veganism. And look, there are two reasons why people go vegan. The main one I think is an ethical one, and I certainly share people's concerns about the ethics of industrialized animal agriculture.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: Whether we're talking about poultry in pens that are tens of thousands of birds in a cage in a caged environment, or we're talking about pigs in pens where they're not allowed to move or whatever. We all were talking about cows in CAFOs confined, uh, fading lots. Um, you know, I think there is an overall philosophy that we should all abide by and that is what is good for the animal is generally good for us and what is good for us. And the animal is generally good for the planet. And I don't think anybody could argue with the fact that animal agriculture and industrialized animal agriculture is not good for the animal, not good for us and not good for the planet. So let's park that idea aside for a moment. But the other thing I would say is that it is not a simple thing. Uh, clearing land to grow vegetables is not necessarily the answer.

Dr Ron Ehrlich: And there was a brilliant article by Matthew Evans, a journalist and regenerative farmer. I had the privilege of recently visiting Matthew's farm in Tasmania and sharing a lunch with him and Sadie and uh, and, and others and seeing what was going on there. But Matthew wrote an article in the Sydney Morning Herald last year on this very issue and I just want to um, read one paragraph from that article to make the point that it is not as simple as vegetables do not harm the planet. Here is Matthews, one paragraph from his article and I'm quoting Matthew, you let me be clear. "What else dies? About 40,000 ducks die each year to grow rice in Australia. Ducks die to grow strawberries. I've met the farmers and shooters who tell me it is. So it is not just the birds and the bees and the slugs and the moths that are killed for your vegetables and grains.

Mammals die too, one grower I know kills 1500 animals a year. A lot of possums, deers, wallabies and some birds. Yes. For frozen peas on our farm, we kill more animals in our two-acre market garden than pigs and cattle. On the other 68 acres combined. Rats, mice, moths, IFAD, slugs and snails. We compete with them for food. We're not the only ones killing to produce vegan food. Is it kinder to eat apples that have come from a farm where they shoot possums to protect the crop than ate meat from a sheep shore? Some farming systems are better than others but is growing anything kind.

Now, you know, I also did a podcast last year with Fred Provenza who made the point that plants actually communicate with each other when they are under attack and plants communicate with the microbes and the microrisal funky in the so...