Green Cover Podcast

Mark Thomas has spent 30-plus years in the grass seed industry, and today he ranches south of Enid, Oklahoma with his wife Annette — raising 100% grass-fed beef on a system built around diverse annual and perennial forages. In this conversation, Keith and Mark dig into some of the most practical questions in regenerative grazing: How do you integrate perennials with annuals? When does it make sense to convert crop ground to grass? And what's actually happening in the rumen when cattle graze a diverse mix versus a monoculture?

Allison Lepanto of Aterak Nutrition started out wanting to improve the quality of horse feed. But after seeing the prevalence of metabolic issues in younger and younger horses, surviving her own herbicide health crisis, and stepping onto farm after farm with dead soil and overflowing supplement shelves, she started connecting the dots. Pasture quality and the practices land owners are implementing is directly impacting their horses' quality of life.In this episode, Allison and Keith dig into how degraded and chemical laden pastures make horses sick, what regenerative grazing actually looks like in a horse operation, and what a two to three year soil restoration plan looks like from the ground up. It's a conversation that draws as many parallels to human health as it does to horses, and it's a good reminder that you can't supplement life back into a broken living system.Check out Allison's website to learn more: https://ateraknutrition.com/

Green Cover sales representative and seed buyer Zach Louk joins Keith for an in-depth conversation on warm season cover crop species. The conversation covers legumes, brassicas, broadleaves and grasses with a specific focus on sorghum-sudan grass traits and characteristics. This episode will give you a greater understanding of which cover crop species are best fit for your goals this summer growing season.Got questions? We're hosting a live Ask Me Anything webinar on this exact topic on Wednesday, May 27th at 12:00pm CST. Be sure to register to have your questions answered live: https://zurl.co/2E796Or, check out the recording of the webinar on our YouTube channel later on.

Jay Fuhrer spent more than 45 years as a soil health specialist with NRCS watching farming systems break down soils — and then helping farmers rebuild them. Now leading the Mennoken Farm just east of Bismarck, North Dakota, Jay shares what decades of boots-on-the-ground monitoring taught him about diverse plant communities, liquid carbon, biological energy, and why the soil carbon needle that nobody believed could move actually did.Jay will be bringing this same knowledge and passion to Green Cover's Nexus in the Field event June 3rd and 4th in Bladen, Nebraska. It's a rare opportunity to learn directly from one of the most experienced soil health minds in the country, right out in the field. Learn more and register at greencover.com/pages/events/nexus-in-the-field.

Kevin Wiltse is a fifth-generation Kansas farmer who has spent over a decade transitioning from cash cropping to perennial pasture and grazing cover crops for more profitable grazing. Five years into one of the worst droughts in recent memory, his cattle herd is bigger than it's ever been. In this episode, Keith sits down with Kevin to talk through his shift to a forage-based, perennial-centered operation, including how he cut inputs, built grazing infrastructure, and kept his herd intact through drought years that would have broken most operations. Kevin also shares the enterprise economics behind his decision-making, what winning the 2025 Leopold Conservation Award in Kansas means to him, and why he believes this kind of change has to come from within before it can show up on the balance sheet.

Kelly Ryerson and Ryland Englehart co-founded American Regeneration to close the gap between what the best regenerative farmers know and what policymakers have never heard. In this episode, they share their unlikely journeys — from fighting pesticides and running vegan restaurants — to becoming two of regenerative agriculture's most passionate advocates. They dig into their work connecting soil health, human health, and policy at both the state and federal level. They also preview their upcoming New American Dream Conference in Bandera, Texas, where farmers, doctors, homesteaders, and policymakers will gather around a shared vision of healing the land and the people on it. If you believe a nation that rebuilds its soil rebuilds itself, this conversation is for you.Learn more about the American Regeneration Conference on May 1-2, 2026: https://events.acresusa.com/american-regeneration

Glenn and Carol Elzinga of Alder Spring Ranch were losing cattle to wolves, losing money, and ready to walk away from everything — until they discovered that the answer wasn't new technology or better systems, but going back to the way God designed animals and land to work together. By stopping fighting creation and starting to work with it, they watched their soil organic matter triple, plant diversity explode from just two dominant species to over 80, and beavers come back to restore their waterways. In this episode, Glenn dives deep into the relationship between grazing animals, living roots, and soil biology — and how understanding that connection transformed not just their land, but the quality and flavor of the beef it produces. If you believe the land can do better tomorrow than it does today, this conversation is for you.

In this episode, Keith welcomes back Greg Thoren, a regenerative farmer from northwest Illinois, for a highly anticipated follow-up conversation. Greg farms approximately 2,400 acres that are all no-till, non-GMO, and cover cropped. This time around, Keith and Greg discuss Greg's 60-inch row corn system, sharing why the wider row spacing has been a game-changer. Greg has found that 60 inch spacing work better for capturing the sunlight necessary to produce enough forage value to offset the yield tradeoff. Greg also discusses his custom cover crop and forage mixes, and using virtual fence collars with his cattle. Finally, the conversation turns to the future. Greg and his wife have spent decades building a thriving regenerative system on land they're unwilling to watch revert to conventional farming. So rather than selling or renting to the highest bidder, Greg is charting a unique path for transition: bringing in three young families with regenerative mindsets to farm the operation together. Greg's innovative approach extends not only to day-to-day operations on his farm, but to securing its future. It's not just regenerative farming, it's regenerative community building.

In this episode of the Green Cover Podcast, host Keith Berns welcomes Abe Collins of Vermont, an innovative farmer and systems thinker who has spent decades developing tools and practices to rapidly heal degraded land. Abe shares how combining deep rooted plant diversity, custom rip sower technology, and biological inputs can dramatically improve soil health, water infiltration, and drought resilience. The conversation then expands into Abe's compelling vision of "watershed contracting," where farmer cooperatives organize to heal entire watersheds in service to their communities, moving agriculture beyond commodity pricing into a transparent, cost plus model that benefits everyone. If you're passionate about the future of regenerative agriculture and building resilient communities from the ground up, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

In this episode, Keith sits down with Alex Frazier, a fourth-generation farmer and agronomist from South Dakota, who has been interseeding cover crops into his soybeans for six years. Alex shares how planting a simple mix of oats, rye, and flax alongside his beans — then terminating it six to eight weeks later — has helped him boost his farm's soybean average from 39 to 52 bushels per acre while reducing phosphorus inputs by 75% and nitrogen by 40%. They dig into the specifics of mix design, spray timing, weed suppression, nutrient cycling, and the surprising soil test that showed higher organic carbon after interseeded beans than after 200-bushel corn. Whether you're looking to build biology in a corn-and-bean rotation or just want a low-cost, low-risk way to start experimenting with regenerative practices, this conversation is packed with practical takeaways. Tune in and learn how a $13–15/acre companion crop investment can pay dividends for your soil and your bottom line.