In this podcast episode, Kiyomi interviews ROCD advocate, Jamie Lee (jamielee_rocd). They speak about Jamie's journey being a ROCD advocate, how to work with feelings and sensation that feel challenging, the problem with labeling and boxing our human experience as a compulsion, falling into the trap of judging feelings & sensations, the power of becoming awareness & the observer, moving toward values vs. feelings, how to find your own values and the importance of seeing relationships as art and creation.