Quitting is aerobics for your brain; it's also the counterintuitive secret to success. Today I bring you a conversation with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Julia Keller about how to view quitting not as a pejorative but instead as a tool for swapping one destiny for another. 

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[5:00] How the self-help movement created our anti-quit bias

[9:00] The similarities between honeybees and Simone Biles, with a nod toward strategic quitting

[17:00] How do you quit a high-stakes situation? (Answer: quasi-quitting!)

[23:00] Words of encouragement for listeners concerned they'll regret it later

[27:00] How parents listening can best support their children when they want to quit 

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