this week's show is with John El-Mokadem and Karen DiMarco, RN, BSN, iRNPA. John's a Breakthrough Coach who helps people to overcome the challenges in their life, such as anxiety, chronic fatigue, relationship and business issues. John helps them to reach a level of insight to make a significant breakthrough to allow them to move forward and past whatever their particular challenge is. Karen is a healthcare visionary with more than 20 years of nursing experience who has been a catalyst for transforming the way we deliver and conceive of "health care" and personal wellbeing. Her work blends functional and integrative medicine - which targets root causes as opposed to treating symptoms of disease - with a strengths-based approach to wellbeing.

In this show we explored John and Karen's recent work conducting a study around the effectiveness of using a fresh approach in treating chronic fatigue. We dived deep into how and why a deeper understanding of how the mind works can be effective in people recovering from chronic fatigue, leading to measurable improvements in health and wellbeing.

This is two part show, in this, part two, we focused on Karen's personal journey of overcoming chronic fatigue, their study and its results. This is such an interesting and inspiring show that it's one that's worth listen to whether you suffer from chronic fatigue or not.

What you'll learn from this episode:

• How we think about something has a huge effect on whether it impacts us negatively or positively. Just stress is only bad for us if we believe it is, much of the natural fluctuations of our body's cycles only become harmful when we think they are.

• They talked about overcoming chronic fatigue using the metaphor of a leaky bucket. You can fill the bucket up with the right supplements, diets and lifestyle but unless you plug the holes in the bucket, you'll likely still suffer from chronic fatigue.

• Karen talked about man as part of nature rather than apart from nature. Just like trees know when drop their leaves and animals know where to find their food, humans have the manual to their own happiness built in.