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"Cancer brought down so many of the b—s— walls that I'd been keeping up. I really did feel carried by the people I had served." - Caroline Fleck

Picture this: You're lying in a hospital bed, fighting a life-threatening infection during chemotherapy, doctors telling you that either the infection or the surgery to save you could kill you. Most people would curl up and surrender to the fear. Caroline Fleck reached for her phone to check on her therapy clients. This isn't a story about toxic productivity or ignoring your pain - it's about discovering that our deepest wounds can become our greatest sources of connection and meaning. When Caroline lost her hair, her strength, and nearly her life to breast cancer, she found something she never expected: that serving others during her darkest hour didn't drain her, it actually saved her.

What unfolds in this conversation will shift how you think about suffering forever. Caroline reveals why the traditional advice to "focus on yourself" during hard times can actually make things worse, and how leaning into service - even when you're barely surviving - creates a kind of healing that medical treatments can't touch. She breaks down the difference between supporting someone who's struggling and accidentally enabling their self-destruction, sharing hard-won wisdom about when love means stepping back instead of stepping in. This isn't about being a martyr or ignoring your own needs - it's about understanding that sometimes the fastest way out of your own hell is helping someone else find their way out of theirs.

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