In this episode we talk to Amy Edmondson, Harvard Business School professor and author of the Financial Times 2023 Business Book of the Year: The Right Kind of Wrong, The Science of Failing Well. Edmondson argues we should cultivate an appetite for “intelligent failure” - events that may be painful but ultimately lead to innovation, personal growth and better relationships. This is difficult because we are hardwired to push failure “underground”, a bias that is often made worse by work cultures that punish failure in the name of accountability. Edmondson explains how we can overcome these obstacles using stories from her own life and findings from her career as a scientific researcher. 

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Episode TimeStamps:

02:22 - Introduction to Amy Edmondson

10:27 - The importance of psychological safety

15:04 - The different types of failure

18:25 - Why do we fear to fail?

22:54 - The idea of reframing

25:04 - Practicing reframing

27:06 - Has the way students work changed?

30:25 - The dark side of the performance mindset

32:40 - Integrating feedback the right way

36:16 - The Stop. Challenge. Choose Method

41:02 - The key aspect of failing well

44:48 - How can we cultivate intelligent failure?

50:35 - Conceptualizing excellence in a new way

53:33 - Encouraging openness while maintaining intellectual property

56:33 - A philosophical perspective

01:00:36 - Key takeaways from Niels

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