While we're spending time with our families this week, here's another Pushkin show you'll like. On Some of My Best Friends Are, Khalil Gibran Muhammad and Ben Austen have real talks about race in America. In this clip, author and political professor Saladin Ambar talks about the complex stakes of interracial friendships throughout U.S. history. You'll hear about the famous bond between Ella Fitzgerald and Marilyn Monroe, and the relationship between former president Barack Obama and his VP Joe Biden. It’s a frank conversation about the political challenges, and political purposes, of interracial friendship in a fraught society.

You can hear more from Some of My Best Friends Are at https://link.chtbl.com/sotwbestfriends

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