Heather and I discussed the 2025 CSIS PONI Project Atom Report, entitled “Escalation Management in Acute and Protracted Conflicts in the Indo-Pacific.“ Project Atom brings several authors together to propose alternative strategies for managing escalation with China. Authors provided submissions examining diplomatic risk management, conventional deterrence, regional nuclear deterrence, allies perspectives, and political stakes in a U.S.-China conflict.

We veered into a wider discussion of nuclear dynamics between the United States and China, where the report submissions touched on regional nuclear capabilities which may be important for U.S. escalation management approaches, and how this could all play in NPT diplomacy.

The entire report is well worth your time. Take a look here:

* 2025 Project Atom report.

You can also watch the launch event from this past week on the CSIS website.

We’ll be back next week with an episode introducing Charlie Glaser’s new book, “Retrench, Defend, Compete.“

Intro/outro music licensed by Soundstripe: “The Iron Curtain” by Wicked Cinema.

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