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Welcome to Episode 2166 of the Italian Wine Podcast and Everybody Needs a Bit of Scienza, where Professo Scienza takes questions from the international wine community and answers them in his own inimitable way! These shows are generally in the Italian language.
Today’s question about vegan wine comes from Manuela Clarizia.
Today’s question:
Is there a scientific definition of vegan wine? How is it produced? Historically, did any population produce vegan wine?
Esiste una definizione scientifica di vino vegano? Come viene prodotto? È stato storicamente prodotto da qualche popolazione?
More about Professor Scienza:
Professor Atillio Scienza is the one who checks all the facts and regulates when we mistakenly type “Verdicchio” instead of “Vermentino.” He is a full professor at the University of Milan in the Department of Agricultural and Food Sciences where he teaches courses on genetic improvements to the vine; he also teaches Viticulture in the Master’s program of the University of Turin in Asti. He has been the lead for many national research projects in the field of physiology, agricultural techniques, and vine genetics. As the author of over 350 publications on vine and viticulture in national and international journals, you can bet he knows his stuff!
To find out more about Attilio Scienza visit:
https://www.vinitaly.com/formazione/vinitaly-international-academy/attilio-scienza/
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Welcome to Episode 2165 of the Italian Wine Podcast and Stevie Kim’s Ambassadors’ Corner on Clubhouse. In this episode Anna Obuhovskaya interviews Graziano Nicosia from the historic Tenute Nicosia winery in the Etna region of Sicily.
Today’s learning objectives:
Co-Moderator – Anna Obuhovskaya
Anna has 15 years of experience in wine retail, marketing & sales. She worked in a number of large wine importing companies and independent projects, and founded the Italian Wine Tasting Club in Saint Petersburg, Russia. In 2023 she became an Italian Wine Ambassador. Driven by passion for European wines she moved from Saint Petersburg to the charm of Slovenia. Currently holding the position of a portfolio development and sales specialist at Dobro Vino, a wine importing company in Ljubljana.
Connect:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wine_it_anna
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-obuhovskaya-0a4789261/
Website: https://www.dobrovino.si/
Guests Bio – Graziano Nicosia
A native of Catania, Graziano represents the fifth generation of one of Sicily’s most important wine-producing families, cultivating vineyards on Mount Etna since 1898. From a young age, he immersed himself in the world of winemaking, witnessing firsthand the growth of the family business. At 25, he joined the company full-time, working closely with his father, Carmelo, and his older brother, Francesco. Early in his career, he traveled extensively with the company’s export managers, quickly realizing the immense global potential of Sicilian wines and the Etna brand. Since 2018, he has been a member of the Board of Directors of the Etna DOC Consortium, initially serving as Vice President and now focusing on the development of metodo classico (traditional method) sparkling wines. Deeply committed to the growth of metodo classico on Etna, he is dedicated to enhancing its distinctive qualities and establishing it as a hallmark of Etna’s winemaking identity. Passionate about Sicilian native grape varieties, particularly Nerello Mascalese and Carricante for Etna wines, and Frappato for Vittoria. He is dedicated to reviving Sicily’s ancient winemaking traditions, rooted in myth, while promoting Sicily as a cradle of civilization and a meeting point for diverse Mediterranean cultures.
Connect:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cantinenicosia
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nicosiawinery/
Twitter: https://x.com/nicosiawinery/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cantine-nicosia
Website: https://www.tenutenicosia.it/en
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Welcome to Episode 2164, in which Cynthia Chaplin interviews InHaeng Jung in this installment of Voices on the Italian Wine Podcast. InHaeng Jung is an assistant professor in Wine Business Institute at Sonoma State University. In this episode of Voices InHaeng talks about her challenges and triumphs as an Asian woman in the international wine industry.
About today’s guest:
InHaeng Jung is an Assistant Professor at Sonoma State University’s Wine Business Institute, within the School of Business and Economics. Specializing in brand management and the marketing of spirits, beer, and wine, her research focuses on sustainability and consumer food choices, particularly how these choices affect both environmental and social aspects of food systems. At Sonoma State, she has developed courses in wine marketing, sustainability, and hospitality for both undergraduate and MBA students. She founded the Grape Expectations Research Lab to integrate academic study with industry practice, providing students with practical research opportunities and preparing them for successful careers. InHaeng is also an active traveler and wine lover with a Level 3 WSET certificate.
Connect:
Website: https://business.sonoma.edu/winebiz/grape-expectations-research-lab
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/inhaeng-noah-jung/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/inhaeng.jung
About today’s Host:
VIA certified Italian Wine Ambassador and sommelier with FIS, Cynthia Chaplin is a professor of Italian Wine and Culture, with 20 years experience in the wine industry. Cynthia is a wine content creator, author and judge for several international wine competitions. She designs and presents events for embassies, corporate and private clients, develops Italian wine collections for restaurants and private clients and works with Italian wineries to train their sales and export staff. Hosting Voices has increased her commitment to DEI in the wine sector, interviewing emerging and established wine professionals and discussing topics such as inclusivity, equity, language, sustainability and challenges facing under-represented groups and cultures as they move into careers in wine. As a certified WSET Educator, Cynthia is passionate about developing wine education for a future that will have a place at the table for anyone interested in wine.
Connect:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/Italian-Wines-in-English/100036868372598/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kiss_my_glassx/?hl=en
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cynthia-chaplin-190647179/
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Welcome to episode 2163 of the Italian Wine Podcast, and episode 166 of Wine, Food & Travel with Marc Millon. Marc’s guest today is Marco Schiavo of Distilleria Schiavo in the Vicenza region of Veneto in northeastern Italy. Amongst other things, they discuss the history of the family-owned grappa distillery, the secrets behind the production process, how grappa is appealing to a new generation of consumers, and some delicious food pairings. Warning: this show will leave you feeling hungry and thirsty!
More about today’s guest:
Marco Schiavo is the fifth-generation of distiller at the Distilleria Schiavo in the Vicenza region of Veneto in northeastern Italy. The distillery has been producing high quality grappa, liquors and vodka since 1887. Marco has been working for the family business since 1998.
Connect
Website: https://www.schiavograppa.com/en/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/distilleria_schiavo/
More about the host Marc Millon:
Marc Millon, VIA Italian Wine Ambassador 2021, has been travelling, eating, drinking, learning and writing about wine, food and travel for nearly 40 years. Born in Mexico, with a mother from Hawaii via Korea and an anthropologist father from New York via Paris, he was weaned on exotic and delicious foods. Marc and his photographer wife Kim are the authors of 14 books including a pioneering series of illustrated wine-food-travel books: The Wine Roads of Europe, The Wine Roads of France, The Wine Roads of Italy (Premio Barbi Colombini), and The Wine Roads of Spain. Other titles include The Wine and Food of Europe, The Food Lovers’ Companion Italy, The Food Lovers’ Companion France, Wine, a global history. Marc regularly lectures and hosts gastronomic cultural tours to Italy and France with Martin Randall Travel, the UK’s leading cultural travel specialist. He has also been the host of the ‘Wine, food and travel with Marc Millon’ series on the Italian Wine Podcast since 2021. When not on the road Marc lives on the River Exe in Devon, England.
Connect:
https://www.quaypress.uk
https://www.marcmillon.co.uk
https://www.vino.co.uk
https://www.quaypress.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marc-millon-50868624/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Marc_Millon
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Thanks for listening! This show is all about food and wine pairings, and traveling through Italy with Marc. Join him on this food, wine and cultural journey!
Welcome to Episode 2162 of the Italian Wine Podcast. In this episode of Masterclass US Wine Market, host Barbara Fitzgerald interviews Michael Traverso, Vice President of Business Development at the iconic wine importer Wilson Daniels. In this episode Barbara and Michael discuss In this episode, Barbara talks to Michael about his insights working for a leading importer and wholesaler of high quality wines and spirits. They also dive deep into his experience in working with family-owned producers worldwide, especially Italy, and learn how this team really adapts to shifting market’s dynamics in maintaining the company’s commitment to long-term partnerships.
More about today’s guest: Michael Traverso
Michael Traverso serves as Vice President of Business Development at the iconic wine importer Wilson Daniels. Michael graduated with a Bachelor of Science, Business Administration & Marketing from University of Southern California, and earned a Sensory Evaluation of Wine Certificati on from University of California, Davis. Joining Wilson Daniels in 2016 as a Senior Brand Manager and Director of Italian Estates, Michael was instrumental in growing the Wilson Daniels Italian portfolio. He was rehired in 2021 as the Director of E-Commerce & Portfolio Development and was promoted to his current role as Vice President in 2022.
A Sonoma County native, Michael’s passion for food and Italian culture began at a very young age while working at his family’s retail grocery store. Michael’s wide range of interests include cooking, collecting wine and rare whiskey, traveling, gardening, hiking, and swimming. He recently completed his Business Law Certification through Cornell University.
Connect:
Website: www.wilsondaniels.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/traversostyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/traversomichael/
More about today’s host: Barbara Fitzgerald
With a career of nearly two decades in the wine industry, Barbara specializes in D2C marketing and business development. She's led roles from entry level to senior management, combining her extensive experience with data analysis, critical thinking and storytelling while driving revenue growth and brand recognition for California wineries. As a part of the 4th generation of an Italian-American family among the California wine industry pioneers, Barbara has spent her life around wine growing, production, marketing, distribution and hospitality. A Syracuse University graduate, she returned to California to gain diverse industry perspectives from a range of wineries. As an Italian Wine Ambassador, she brings her expertise to the Italian wine market, known for its authenticity and consumer demand. Barbara now runs Apri La Creative Consulting, coaching wineries in Italy and the US to strategically develop their D2C channels in line with their brand values. Together with her husband, Barbara also owns and operates a boutique wine production company, and a small import company specializing in Italian wines to the US.
Connect:
Instagram: www.instagram.com/aprilabottiglia
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/barbara-fitzgerald-iwa/
Website: www.aprilacreative.com
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Tune-in and hit the like! - Business, US Market advice, importing, exporting, business, personal stories and advice, plus she is very fun to listen to!
Welcome to the Next Generation and Episode 2161 of the Italian Wine Podcast. Today Karla Ravagnolo interviews Abe Zarate. With the help of Abe Zarate, a sober sommelier from New York City, Karla explores the meaning and implications of ‘sobriety’ and what does opting for a ‘sustainable carrier’ look like. Moreover, Karla and Abe discuss how to pair Caribbean, West-African and Soul food with wine.
More about today’s guest:
Abe began his career in wine after noticing the many parallels with his past experience in music publishing. He has gone on to run beverage programs at Corkbuzz, Intersect by Lexus, and Contento, as well as a sommelier stint at two Michelin-starred restaurant The Modern. As a sober sommelier, he's dedicated to fostering conscious consumption and a more inclusive wine community.
Connect:
Website: https://www.corporateperolatinos.org/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sober_somm/?hl=en
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abrahamzarate/
More about the host:
Born in the Dominican Republic, Karla Ravagnolo holds the WSET Level 3 Certificate and has an endless curiosity for all things wine and beverage. Her never-ending quest for knowledge has led her to multiple international beverage experiences in Italy, the USA and Japan.
During her time at Colangelo & Partners, a New-York based wine PR agency, she recognized the challenges of conveying the cultural, geographical and historical value of Italian wine to an international and inter-generational audience. Her goal has always been to make wine more approachable and inclusive, through sharing authentic experiences and making real interpersonal connections!
Connect:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/karlamassielravagnolo/
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Welcome to Episode 2160 of On The Road Edition with Stevie Kim. Today Stevie’s guest is Matteo Zoppas, President of ITA - Italian Trade Agency. On today’s episode Stevie and Matteo meet in Chicago for Vinitaly USA, to talk about the event, the rationale behind it and its impact so far.
More about today’s guest:
Born in 1974 in Pordenone, Matteo Zoppas graduated in Business Economics at Luigi Bocconi University in Milan, and subsequently obtained two Masters at CUOA, in Lean Manufacturing and in Business Administration.
Analyst at the Mediobanca Shareholding Office from 2002 to 2003, he was a member of the Board of Directors of Operation Smile Italia and was a member of the Central Council of Confindustria Nazionale.
He is a member of the Board of Directors of Acqua Minerale San Benedetto SpA. Elected President of Confindustria Venezia in 2013, from May 2015 he was President of Confindustria Venezia Metropolitan Area of Venice and Rovigo and then, from 2017 to 2019, President of Confindustria Veneto. Today he is the President of ITA, the Italian Trade Agency.
Connect:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/matteozoppas/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matteo-zoppas-6867314/
Website: https://www.ice.it/it/chi-siamo/struttura-organizzativa/presidente
More about the host Stevie Kim:
Stevie Kim hosts Clubhouse sessions each week (visit Italian Wine Club & Wine Business on Clubhouse), these recorded sessions are then released on the podcast to immortalize them! She often also joins Professor Scienza in his shows to lend a hand keeping our Professor in check! You can also find her taking a hit for the team when she goes “On the Road”, all over the Italian countryside, visiting wineries and interviewing producers, enjoying their best food and wine – all in the name of bringing us great Pods!
Connect:
Social Links: https://zaap.bio/steviekim
Website: https://www.vinitaly.com/eventi/operawine/stevie-kim/
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Welcome to Episode 2159 of the Italian Wine Podcast and Everybody Needs a Bit of Scienza, where Professo Scienza takes questions from the international wine community and answers them in his own inimitable way! These shows are generally in the Italian language.
Today’s question about Italy’s current denomination system comes from Michela Aru.
Today’s question:
Do you think the current denomination system in Italy is effective, or do you agree with those who think it is time to revise it and define a new structure? If the latter, what do you think are the most urgent measures to take?
More about Professor Scienza:
Professor Atillio Scienza is the one who checks all the facts and regulates when we mistakenly type “Verdicchio” instead of “Vermentino.” He is a full professor at the University of Milan in the Department of Agricultural and Food Sciences where he teaches courses on genetic improvements to the vine; he also teaches Viticulture in the Master’s program of the University of Turin in Asti. He has been the lead for many national research projects in the field of physiology, agricultural techniques, and vine genetics. As the author of over 350 publications on vine and viticulture in national and international journals, you can bet he knows his stuff!
To find out more about Attilio Scienza visit:
https://www.vinitaly.com/formazione/vinitaly-international-academy/attilio-scienza/
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Welcome to Book Club and Episode 2158 of the Italian Wine Podcast with Richard Hough. Today, Richard is in conversation with wine scientist and author Gus Zhu about his book, “Behind the Glass: The Chemical and Sensorial Terroir of Wine Tasting”.
Amongst other things, the conversion covers Gus’ career in wine, the latest wine trends in his native China, the different approaches to education in Asia and America, as well as taking a deep dive into the science behind the wine and debunking the “tongue map theory”. Gus also referred to the wines of Shangri-La in Yunnan province and the LVMH project – Ao Yun Wines & Spirits.
On the bookshelf:
The other books discussed in today’s show include:
“Open” by Andre Agassi
More about today’s guest:
'Gus' Jian Zhu is the first Chinese Master of Wine. He works as a research and development scientist at Cork Supply and Tonnellerie Ô, specializing in chemical analysis and sensory studies on wine, cork, and oak. Gus is also a professional wine educator with over a decade of teaching experience.
Connect:
Website: https://guszhu.com/
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guszhu
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/guszhu/?hl=en
More about the host Richard Hough:
Richard Hough is the editor, translator and project curator behind Wine Democracy and Vine and Prejudice. He has also published several books about life in Verona, chronicling the city’s history, culture and daily life, not forgetting, of course, its wine! With a long-standing passion for whisky and beer, he’s a relative newcomer to the world of wine and is now desperately trying to make up for lost time! He is the host of Book Club on the Italian Wine Podcast.
Connect:
Twitter: www.twitter.com/rick_hough
Instagram: www.instagram.com/ricksnotesfromverona
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rickhough/
Coming soon:
Next month’s guest is Elia Quarzago and we’ll be discussing “100 Custodi per 100 Vitigni, La Biodiversità Viticola in Italia”.
Welcome to episode 2157 of the Italian Wine Podcast, and episode 165 of Wine, Food & Travel with Marc Millon. Marc’s guest today is Luigi Di Majo Norante of Di Majo Norante winery in the Molise region of southern Italy.
More about today’s guest:
Luigi Di Majo Norante is the Sales Manager for Di Majo Norante Wines. After completing his studies in Canada and Belgium, he honed his expertise in winemaking through valuable experience at the Famiglia Cotarella Estate. Passionate about wine culture, Luigi is committed to making wine more approachable for younger generations, bridging tradition with modern tastes. His goal is to inspire a deeper appreciation for wine, encouraging new consumers to explore its rich heritage while promoting responsible and enjoyable consumption.
Di Majo Norante is a pioneering winery located on the scenic coast of Molise, a region often described as Italy’s best-kept secret. While Molise may be one of the country’s lesser-known areas, Di Majo Norante has put it on the map for wine lovers across the world. Founded with a commitment to preserving the region’s rich viticultural heritage, the estate has been producing high-quality wines for over five generations, making it the first winery in Molise and one of the first in southern Italy to focus on qualitative wine production.
One of the winery’s key guiding principles is sustainability, not only in the vineyards but in every stage of production. Since the early 1970s, Di Majo Norante has committed itself to organic farming practices, long before it became a widespread trend. Their methods respect the natural balance of the ecosystem, using no synthetic chemicals or pesticides, and nurturing the land for future generations.
The winery's portfolio includes a wide range of wines, from elegant reds to fresh whites and sparkling varieties, each one made with precision and care. Their flagship wines, such as the rich and robust Sassius and the elegant Don Luigi Riserva, have garnered international recognition and awards, showcasing Molise’s potential as a world-class wine-producing region.
Connect
Website: https://www.dimajonorante.com/en
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dimajonorante
More about the host Marc Millon:
Marc Millon, VIA Italian Wine Ambassador 2021, has been travelling, eating, drinking, learning and writing about wine, food and travel for nearly 40 years. Born in Mexico, with a mother from Hawaii via Korea and an anthropologist father from New York via Paris, he was weaned on exotic and delicious foods. Marc and his photographer wife Kim are the authors of 14 books including a pioneering series of illustrated wine-food-travel books: The Wine Roads of Europe, The Wine Roads of France, The Wine Roads of Italy (Premio Barbi Colombini), and The Wine Roads of Spain. Other titles include The Wine and Food of Europe, The Food Lovers’ Companion Italy, The Food Lovers’ Companion France, Wine, a global history. Marc regularly lectures and hosts gastronomic cultural tours to Italy and France with Martin Randall Travel, the UK’s leading cultural travel specialist.
Connect:
https://www.quaypress.uk
https://www.marcmillon.co.uk
https://www.vino.co.uk
https://www.quaypress.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marc-millon-50868624/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Marc_Millon
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