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(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) 

Recommended in this episode:

• “The Shape of Water” directed by Guillermo del Toro
• “Yellowstone” created by Taylor Sheridan and John Linson
• “White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism” by Robin DiAngelo
• ‘Erasure” by Percival Everett
• “American Fiction” directed by Cord Jefferson
• ‘The Elementary Particles” by Michel Houellebecq
• “The Plot Against America” by Philip Roth
• “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis
• “Reagan: His Life and Legend” by Max Boot

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