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Boosie says he paid $600K for a pardon that never came. What was he afraid of losing? Loon goes off on J. Prince Jr. and the choices putting a family legacy at stake. Full episode of Internal Affairs. Boosie Badazz’s failed push for a presidential pardon has become a fight over money, promises and what happens when celebrity meets Washington. After Boosie’s account of paying pardon lobbyists $600,000, Loon challenges what drove the decision, revisits the 60 Minutes coverage and questions whether taking the dispute public could create another problem. Why did avoiding another prison sentence matter so much this time? What did Boosie believe he was paying for? And when Gucci Mane enters the conversation, do the same street rules still apply? Loon examines the argument without letting either side skip the difficult questions. J Prince Jr’s decisions get the same scrutiny. Loon examines the Houston incident involving Allstar JR, NBA Ben 10 and OG 3, questions the RICO speculation, and challenges what people can actually conclude from the footage. Then the conversation turns to the Prince family name, the opportunities it creates and the choices Loon believes could put that legacy at risk. The Finesse2Tymes and Mob Ties dispute adds another layer: artist contracts, album options, loyalty and the business consequences of a public falling-out. The episode also opens with Lil Durk and a difficult question: if he makes it home, does he owe his old circle the same access to his life? Loon pushes back on the drill-money argument and the pressure to maintain a street image. Watch the full conversation, then tell us where you stand: after paying $600K, would you keep fighting for a refund? And is J Prince Jr building on his father’s legacy or putting it at risk? Subscribe to It’s Up There Podcast for Internal Affairs with Big Loon. Leave your take and the timestamp of the moment you agree or disagree with most. 00:00 If Lil Durk comes home, what does he owe his circle? 00:58 Loon challenges the drill-money argument 05:46 Borrowed street reputations and rap image 13:32 J Prince Jr, NBA Ben 10 and the Houston arrests 17:36 Federal interest and the questions around J Prince Jr 19:49 Loon challenges the RICO speculation 24:47 J Prince Jr, Finesse2Tymes and the money questions 27:12 A father’s legacy and a son’s decisions 34:15 Mob Ties, reputation and the cost of a falling-out 40:33 Record deals, album options and trying to leave 48:30 Boosie’s $600K pardon dispute 50:22 What was Boosie really afraid of losing? 53:27 Could fighting for a refund create more problems? 55:54 VladTV, 60 Minutes and the disputed agreement 58:11 When business meets street rules 1:00:09 Why Gucci Mane enters the Boosie debate 1:02:35 Why Boosie still wanted the pardon 1:07:21 What would another prison sentence change? 1:09:55 Paying for access and the promise of a pardon 1:12:52 Boosie, celebrity and the media’s framing 1:16:25 Taking the fight public: does fame give you leverage? 1:18:25 Final thoughts #Boosie #JPrinceJr #bigloon Pinned comment After paying $600K, would you keep fighting for a refund—or walk away? And is J Prince Jr building on his father’s legacy or putting it at risk? Drop your take and the timestamp you’re responding to. Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO

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EST Gee sits down with Loon on It’s Up There ahead of BIGGER THAN THE DEVIL for a wide-ranging conversation about Lil Durk’s federal case, Pooh Shiesty, Yo Gotti and CMG, Future, his current Interscope situation, almost dying at James Harden’s house, street rap, money, grief and what comes next in his career. Loon and EST Gee get into Lil Durk’s case, Gee’s relationship with Durk and where his head is as the trial reaches a critical stage. Pooh Shiesty also becomes part of the conversation as Gee speaks on his relationship with Shiesty, the situation surrounding him and the larger pressure that continues to follow some of the biggest street rappers of their generation. That leads into a bigger discussion about law enforcement and hip-hop. Loon and Gee talk about police understanding the slang, relationships and affiliations inside the culture, how much information artists put online and whether the business around street rap has become too public. EST Gee also addresses the conversation around Yo Gotti and CMG, including the viral $750,000 signing moment, the “Rich Before Gotti” line, the rumors surrounding their relationship and what his next business move could look like as his current Interscope deal reaches an important point. Future comes up through a behind-the-scenes story Gee has never made a major public talking point before. The conversation gets into their tour relationship, money, how Future treated him behind the scenes and why Gee believes Future deserves a different level of respect when people discuss the biggest Southern rap careers. Loon also challenges Gee on his own place in street rap—how much influence he has had on the sound and image of the generation that followed him, whether modern rap has lost its regional identity and why so many artists now seem to look, sound and move alike. Money and success open another side of the interview as Gee and Loon talk about the opportunities, bad investments and strange pitches that start coming once people know an artist has money. They get into expensive dogs, NFTs, clothing brands, scams and some of the lessons Gee learned after becoming successful. One of the wildest stories in the episode comes when EST Gee talks about almost dying at James Harden’s house, and the friend who saved his life joins the conversation to revisit what happened. The episode also gets into grief, losing people close to him, fatherhood, keeping his children away from the internet, meeting King Von, youth football in Louisville and using money and influence to create opportunities outside of music. With BIGGER THAN THE DEVIL arriving during a major transition point in his career, EST Gee and Loon cover where he has been, what changed around him and what the next chapter could look like. Watch the full EST Gee conversation on It’s Up There. 00:00:00 EST Gee - Its Up There 00:01:18 Bigger Than the Devil 00:04:42 EST Gee’s Interscope Deal 00:08:16 Money, Scams & Bad Investments 00:14:05 Biggest Street Artist Since 2020? 00:20:31 Pooh Shiesty 00:25:44 Police Know Hip-Hop’s Slang Now 00:30:52 Lil Durk’s Federal Case 00:37:18 Grief & Losing People 00:43:40 Yo Gotti & the $750K Story 00:50:26 “Rich Before Gotti” 00:57:12 Future Gives EST Gee $300K+ 01:04:38 King Von 01:09:22 EST Gee’s Show & Feature Money 01:15:41 Stitches Left in His Eye 01:19:08 Almost Dying at James Harden’s House 01:27:36 The Friend Who Saved EST Gee Joins 01:32:04 Fatherhood, Youth Football & NIL 01:33:02 Bigger Than the Devil / Final Thoughts 01:34:51 5 Shots • 5th Album 01:35:05 NIL Money 01:38:32 Final Thoughts Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast

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The Lil Durk trial has reached jury deliberations—and the longer the verdict takes, the more questions surround OTF Jam, OTF Vonnie, the alleged lack of payment, and the government’s case. In this full episode of Internal Affairs, Loon delivers continuing Lil Durk trial coverage from inside the evidence and outside the internet noise. He breaks down why the jury may be taking its time, which parts of the cooperating witnesses’ testimony could create reasonable doubt, and how the same testimony can help the prosecution in one moment and hurt it in the next. Loon drills into one of the biggest questions hanging over the case: if a murder-for-hire agreement existed, where is the payment? He explains why the absence of a clear transaction can support the defense—but also why the government may argue that no payment was ever needed to prove its theory. The conversation examines OTF Jam, OTF Vonnie, the travel evidence, alleged communications after the shooting, and the pressure jurors face when a man’s freedom is on the line. The episode also breaks down the closing arguments from Brian Steel and Drew Findling. Loon examines Steel’s decision to attack OTF Jam’s credibility, the defense’s portrayal of Jam as a violent and unreliable witness, and whether Findling’s courtroom style gave jurors enough substance when the stakes were highest. Then Loon turns to Akademiks. After the government referenced content from Lil Durk’s interview, Loon explains why media footage does not disappear once it enters the federal courtroom—and why Akademiks’ history with 6ix9ine, King Von and Lil Durk cannot be separated from the larger public narrative surrounding the case. Loon also discusses what a hung jury could mean, whether prosecutors could retry unresolved counts, how King Von connects to OTF Vonnie’s access, and whether more federal pressure could follow after this trial. Later in the episode, Internal Affairs examines Adam22 and Lena the Plug’s reported separation, the business and relationship pressures behind their public conversation, and the symbolism Loon saw in the Drake wedding-ring moment. This episode was recorded while the jury was still deliberating. Trial developments may have changed after recording. All charges and claims discussed remain allegations unless proven in court, and every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until found guilty. What do you believe the jury is wrestling with most: witness credibility, the missing payment, the travel evidence, or the Akademiks interview? Subscribe to Internal Affairs with Loon, turn on notifications, and share this episode with somebody following the Lil Durk trial #LilDurk #LilDurkTrial #otfjam 00:00 Jury Deliberations and Verdict Watch 06:12 Closing Arguments and Witness Credibility 14:48 Why the Alleged Lack of Payment Matters 21:35 King Von and Lil Durk’s Street-vs.-Rap Collision 29:42 Akademiks Enters the Government’s Courtroom Narrative 38:26 Could the Case End in a Hung Jury? 44:10 Loon Presses Drew Findling Over Akademiks 51:38 What a Hung Jury Would Mean for Lil Durk 57:16 Brian Steel Attacks OTF Jam’s Credibility 1:04:22 The Missing Payment Evidence 1:09:47 Has Justice Already Been Served? 1:15:18 How OTF Vonnie Got Close to Lil Durk 1:20:36 Could More Charges or a RICO Follow? 1:24:48 Adam22 and Lena the Plug’s Separation 1:27:12 The Drake Wedding-Ring Moment 1:29:05 Final Thoughts and Patreon Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO

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Lil Durk was found NOT GUILTY on all five counts in his federal murder-for-hire trial — so why is he still in federal custody? Loon breaks down the question thousands of people have been asking since the verdict and explains the separate federal case that is still keeping Lil Durk behind bars. Durk's murder-for-hire acquittal ended the case surrounding the 2022 Los Angeles shooting targeting Quando Rondo. But it did not end his federal legal battle. A separate trial is currently scheduled for October 5 involving murder-related racketeering and weapons allegations. On Internal Affairs, Loon breaks down why those allegations were separated from the murder-for-hire trial, what prosecutors are alleging in the next case, and why the first NOT GUILTY verdict could become important when Durk's legal team returns to court. Loon also raises another major question: Can prosecutors use some of the same cooperating witnesses and evidence again while trying to connect Durk personally to a separate alleged violent enterprise? The first jury found Lil Durk not guilty on every count it considered. Now the question becomes what that clean sweep changes — and what it doesn't — when the next federal trial begins. All allegations in the pending case remain unproven, and Lil Durk has pleaded not guilty. Watch Internal Affairs with Loon for continued coverage of the Lil Durk federal cases. #LilDurk #LilDurkTrial #InternalAffairs Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO

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Loon takes aim at DJ Akademiks after Lil Durk's murder-for-hire acquittal and asks a bigger question about the relationship between hip-hop interviews, internet content and federal investigations. During Lil Durk's federal trial, prosecutors referenced portions of Durk's interview with Akademiks during closing arguments. Durk's attorneys later fought to have additional portions of the interview considered for context. Now Loon says the conversation can no longer stop at whether Akademiks intended to help or hurt Lil Durk. “Intent explains your heart. I'm dealing with his effect.” On Internal Affairs, Loon breaks down why he believes certain interview questions do more than create viral moments — especially when rappers are being questioned publicly about murder, retaliation, street conflicts and people they've lost. Loon argues that putting a rapper's pride, reputation and identity on trial in front of millions can pressure people into answering questions that may carry consequences far beyond the interview. The conversation becomes even more timely as Meek Mill publicly renews his criticism of Akademiks following Lil Durk's acquittal, accusing the streamer of fueling damaging narratives around successful rappers from the streets. Loon also challenges rappers themselves for continuing to sit for interviews where the questions can expose them legally. His warning is simple: The interviewer and artist may split the attention when the clip goes viral — but they don't split the consequences. Watch Loon break down DJ Akademiks, Lil Durk, Meek Mill, 6ix9ine and the bigger problem facing hip-hop media on Internal Affairs. #DJAkademiks #LilDurk #Loon Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO

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Wack 100 calls Loon and pushes back after his viral conversation with 6ix9ine becomes part of the evidence discussed in Lil Durk’s federal trial. Wack says the original interview has been misunderstood. According to Wack, he was questioning 6ix9ine about Tekashi’s own street claims and why he did not retaliate against the people he said kidnapped and robbed him. Wack says 6ix9ine then redirected the conversation toward Lil Durk and the now-infamous “Slide for Von” narrative. During the call, Wack makes it clear that the interview belongs to him and argues that nothing in the actual exchange substantiates claims about Lil Durk ordering or participating in anything. The larger debate is whether prosecutors and cooperating witnesses are using the viral 6ix9ine moment to establish that public pressure surrounding King Von’s death affected Durk. Wack 100 and Loon break down what was actually said, how the conversation changed direction and why that interview now matters inside one of hip-hop’s biggest federal trials. Subscribe for more Lil Durk trial coverage from Loon and Internal Affairs. #LilDurk #Wack100 #6ix9ine Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO

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Peewee Roscoe calls into Loon’s Internal Affairs and delivers a blunt assessment of Drew Findling during Lil Durk’s federal trial. Roscoe challenges Findling’s “billion-dollar lawyer” reputation and asks where the major murder-case victories are behind the high-profile image. While discussing Lil Durk’s legal team, Roscoe argues that celebrity clients, relationships with rappers and strong marketing do not automatically prove someone is the right lawyer for a case with stakes this high. Roscoe also reveals that he personally knows Drew Findling and says Findling previously attempted to represent him, giving additional context to why his criticism goes beyond what he has seen online. The conversation comes as Lil Durk continues fighting his federal case with Drew Findling and Brian Steel leading key parts of the defense. Do you think Peewee Roscoe is exposing a real gap between Drew Findling’s reputation and his courtroom résumé, or is he underestimating Durk’s legal team? Subscribe for more Lil Durk trial coverage from Loon and Internal Affairs. #LilDurk #PeeweeRoscoe #DrewFindling 00:00 — Peewee Roscoe Interrupts Over Drew Findling 00:18 — “$1 Billion Lawyer?” 00:36 — Why Roscoe Gives Brian Steel More Credit 00:48 — “Show Me What’s Billion-Dollar in Court” 00:58 — Roscoe Says Some of the Image Is Marketing 01:10 — Where Are Drew’s Murder Wins? 01:23 — Roscoe Reveals Drew Tried to Represent Him Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO

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Loon breaks down a part of Lil Durk’s federal case that could be easy to overlook: beating the murder-for-hire theory may not automatically remove the possibility of a life sentence. During the conversation, Loon examines the stalking-resulting-in-death count and why the alleged connection between Durk, the vehicles, the people involved and the underlying conduct could become critically important. The bigger question becomes whether Durk’s defense can break the legal bridge prosecutors are attempting to establish between him and the alleged stalking operation. Loon also explains why simply focusing on whether Durk personally committed a murder can miss the larger legal issue being argued in federal court. This conversation is commentary and analysis of the ongoing Lil Durk federal trial. Lil Durk has denied involvement in the alleged murder-for-hire scheme. Subscribe for more Lil Durk trial coverage and cultural analysis from Loon. Watch extended episodes on Patreon. #LilDurk #LilDurkTrial #Loon Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO 0:00 Analyzing the Legal Strategy 0:28 The Hidden Details of the Trial 2:24 Reflecting on Culture and Community 6:02 The Conclusion of the Tupac Trial 13:05 The Economy of the Tupac Universe 19:36 Navigating Federal Evidence Rules 26:36 The Damage of Testimony 43:04 The Risk of Taking the Stand 1:17:02 The Impact of External Influences

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On this episode of Internal Affairs, Loon goes deep on the Lil Durk trial: Kanye West, India Royale and Doodie Lo, Trap Lore Ross, OTF Jam, Drew Findling, Brian Steel and Zül-Qarnain. The conversation goes far beyond what happened inside the courtroom. Loon examines the spectacle surrounding Lil Durk’s federal trial and questions whether some of the people showing support outside are actually helping Durk—or turning one of the most serious moments of his life into content. Zül-Qarnain joins the show after attending the trial at the request of Durk’s father, Dontay “Big Durk” Banks. He explains what he saw inside and outside the courthouse, his encounter with Trap Lore Ross, why misinformation surrounding the case became a concern, and what Durk’s family is dealing with as the trial unfolds. Loon also breaks down what Kanye West showing up at the courthouse communicated to the public, his interpretation of the viral India Royale and Doodie Lo moment, and why the lack of sustained major-media attention surrounding such a high-profile federal trial matters. The episode also digs into the legal battle itself: OTF Jam’s testimony, the defense strategy surrounding OTF Vonni, Brian Steel’s courtroom tactics, questions around Drew Findling’s public media appearances, and the debate over whether Lil Durk should ever take the stand. Beyond the headlines, Internal Affairs asks a larger question: when somebody from the culture is fighting for his life, what does useful support actually look like? Lil Durk has pleaded not guilty. The charges and allegations discussed in this episode remain allegations unless established in court. Subscribe to Internal Affairs for long-form conversations about culture, media, accountability, business and the issues happening inside our community. #LilDurk #LilDurkTrial #InternalAffairs DISCLAIMER: Lil Durk and all co-defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. Testimony, allegations and arguments discussed in this episode are part of an ongoing criminal proceeding and are not findings of guilt. INTERNAL AFFAIRS provides news commentary, cultural analysis and opinion.

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 0:00 Lil Durk Trial — What This Episode Is Really About 1:21 Victims, Stakes & Why This Isn’t Entertainment 2:22 Loon Goes Off on the Courthouse Clout Chase 7:00 Welcome to Internal Affairs 8:07 Should Lil Durk Testify? Loon Changes His Position 12:21 What’s Happening Outside Federal Court 13:45 India & Doodie Lo — Loon’s Read on the No-Hug Moment 17:55 Why Playing Durk’s Music Outside Court Matters 20:14 What “Free Durk” Is Supposed to Mean 21:49 Drew Findling’s Public Strategy Questioned 26:27 OTF Jam, Gang Structure & the Government’s Case 31:34 Federal Informants & the DOJ Rules Debate 45:01 How the Jury May Hear OTF Jam’s Gang Testimony 51:03 Brian Steel’s “Accomplished Durk Banks” Strategy 1:06:27 Why the Major-Media Gap Matters 1:11:28 Trap Lore Ross vs. Brian Steel’s Defense 1:17:58 Trap Lore Ross & the Courthouse Tension 1:30:50 Kanye West Shows Up for Lil Durk 1:40:33 Zül-Qarnain Joins Internal Affairs 1:46:49 What Zül Saw Outside the Courthouse 1:51:13 Big Durk’s Request & Positive Media for Durk 1:56:28 Should Lil Durk Take the Stand? 2:01:28 Zül Explains the Trap Lore Ross Confrontation 2:09:32 India, Durk’s Family & the Courtroom Energy 2:20:51 Monetizing Lil Durk’s Trial 2:23:10 Big Durk’s Mindset Through the Trial 2:35:06 Final Message to Everyone Supporting Durk

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Loon gets a live call from a federal inmate incarcerated with Lil Durk as they break down Durk’s trial, King Von, Akademiks, 6ix9ine, OTF witnesses, Tupac, Keffe D, Pooh Shiesty and more. INTERNAL AFFAIRS begins with access you rarely hear in hip-hop media: Loon gets a live call from a federal inmate incarcerated with Lil Durk while Durk is fighting for his freedom in one of the biggest federal rap trials in the country. Loon and his caller go inside the questions surrounding Durk’s case, the people around him, cooperating witnesses and whether Durk may ultimately have to take the stand and tell his own story. But Loon’s argument about Lil Durk goes deeper than the case. Everyone has spent years saying the internet “tricked” Durk with “Slide for Von.” Loon argues that explanation misses the emotional reality of what King Von represented to Durk. In Loon’s view, the internet did not create the pain — but social media, trolling and hip-hop media helped keep pouring pressure onto something that was already real. That brings the conversation directly to DJ Akademiks and 6ix9ine. Loon questions why Durk continued doing business and interviews inside a media ecosystem that repeatedly amplified 6ix9ine’s taunts about King Von, Quando Rondo and “Slide for Von.” That history has become even more relevant during Durk’s trial. A federal judge has ruled that jurors may see an excerpt from a 2021 episode of Akademiks’ Off the Record featuring 6ix9ine and Wack 100, where 6ix9ine mocked Durk over retaliation for King Von. Prosecutors say the clip helps show the public pressure surrounding revenge; Durk’s lawyers disputed that Durk had ever seen the interview. And the trial is no longer approaching — it is underway. Opening statements began August 24, 2026. Prosecutors allege Durk orchestrated a murder-for-hire retaliation plot targeting Quando Rondo after King Von’s death. Durk’s defense says he is being falsely portrayed as the architect of the shooting and points toward former assistant Kavon Grant. Durk has pleaded not guilty. Loon also gets into Trap Lore Ross, rap true-crime media and what happens when creators who have built content around alleged murders and street histories are sitting inside the courtroom while those same stories are being litigated for real. Then INTERNAL AFFAIRS moves from Chicago to another historic case happening right now: Tupac Shakur. Loon breaks down the Keffe D trial, Mob James, decades of interviews and the danger of turning old street stories into entertainment. Keffe D’s prior statements are now central evidence in his Tupac murder trial. Prosecutors are using statements he made to police, in interviews and in his memoir, while his defense argues that many of those accounts were exaggerated or fabricated for publicity and money. For Loon, that becomes a larger conversation about gang culture, aging, loyalty, internal betrayal and what people actually have left after decades of living off old reputations. The episode then turns to Pooh Shiesty, Gucci Mane and NBA YoungBoy. Loon discusses Pooh Shiesty’s authenticity, his relationship with Gucci, why audiences respond differently when they truly believe an artist’s story, and why Loon believes Pooh Shiesty represents something different from what many fans project onto NBA YoungBoy. This is INTERNAL AFFAIRS. The conversations happening inside our culture, examined from inside the culture. Hosted by Loon. Watch the full episode and tell us: what part of Lil Durk’s situation do you think the internet still doesn’t understand? 00:00 — Lil Durk Is Fighting for His Life in Federal Court 02:37 — Did the Internet Really Trick Lil Durk? 05:58 — The King Von Pain Nobody Talks About 06:26 — Loon GOES IN on Akademiks & “Slide for Von” 09:17 — How the Industry Tried to Lock 6ix9ine Out 10:28 — Why Durk Should’ve Drawn the Line With Akademiks 12:38 — Lil Durk Trial & Trap Lore Ross 15:18 — 6ix9ine & Wack 100 Interview Enters the Federal Case 17:59 — OTF Jam & Cooperating Witnesses 20:54 — Loon Questions Trap Lore Ross at Durk’s Trial 22:41 — Trap Lore Ross Gets Confronted Outside Court 25:41 — What “Free Durk” Actually Means 28:04 — Federal Inmate With Lil Durk Calls Loon LIVE 28:21 — Can Lil Durk Beat the Case? 37:19 — Does Lil Durk Need to Take the Stand? 40:15 — Akademiks & Trap Lore Ross Showing Up at Trial 56:41 — Why Tupac’s Death Became Big Business 58:31 — Pooh Shiesty Takes Over the Conversation 01:02:37 — Pooh Shiesty’s Legal Situation 01:14:20 — Loon: Pooh Shiesty Is Who People Think YoungBoy Is 01:17:18 — NBA YoungBoy Trying to Escape the Chaos 01:19:57 — Back to Durk & Why Akademiks Matters 01:20:37 — Loon Says He Warned Them Years Ago 01:21:58 — Is Hip-Hop Media Disconnected From the Culture? 01:25:00 — Why Durk Should’ve Shut Down the YoungBoy Questions 01:26:00 — Hurt, Anger & What the Jury May Hear 01:28:46 — Why Durk May Have to Testify 01:30:19 — Welcome to INTERNAL AFFAIRS #lildurk  @LilDurk ​

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