In this episode of A Productive Conversation, I sit down with James Kimmel Jr., JD — a Yale lecturer, lawyer, and leading researcher on the neuroscience of revenge. His new book, The Science of Revenge: Understanding the World’s Deadliest Addiction—and How to Overcome It, explores why our brains crave retaliation and how forgiveness can literally rewire us toward peace.

Our conversation begins with a deeply personal story that shaped James’s life’s work and unpacks how revenge functions like an addiction — one fueled by pain, dopamine, and unchecked desire. What follows is a fascinating look at how our minds process grievance, why forgiveness is a neurological superpower, and how awareness can keep us from being consumed by cycles of anger and retaliation.

Six Discussion Points

• How a violent act of bullying led James to study the neuroscience of revenge
• The brain’s pain and reward circuits — and how they make revenge feel like a drug
• Why grievances compound and can trigger impulsive reactions
• The distinction between self-defense, grief, and revenge
• How forgiveness shuts down the brain’s pain network and restores self-control
• Why awareness, reflection, and tools like journaling can help break the revenge cycle

Three Connection Points

• Get James's book
• Visit James's website
• Check out the Miracle Court app

This conversation reminded me that the pause — that small, deliberate moment between grievance and reaction — can change everything. James’s work shows us that forgiveness isn’t about excusing others; it’s about freeing ourselves. I hope this episode helps you reflect on where small moments of release might lead to greater clarity, peace, and yes, productiveness.