If you are stuck in a decision, waiting for clarity, or trying to control what comes next, this conversation is for you.
In this episode of JORMAZIN`, I’m joined by Jeffrey Schwab, founder of Uncertain Pathfinders and wonderfully, Chief Possibility Officer.
Together, we explore how uncertainty can become less of an enemy and more of a companion. Not because everything becomes easy. But because we may not need the whole path before taking one small honest step.
Jeffrey uses coaching, facilitation, applied improv, and playful experimentation to help people meet the unknown with more curiosity, courage, and connection. In our conversation, he shares how improv shaped his relationship with uncertainty, why he chose to put the word “uncertain” into his work, and how small everyday experiments can shift the way we relate to not knowing.
This episode is not about fixing uncertainty or forcing clarity.
It is about moving from overthinking toward action.
From control toward curiosity.
From needing the perfect plan toward trusting the next small “bunny hop.”
And from feeling alone in uncertainty toward remembering that not knowing is part of being human.
In this conversation:
How to move when clarity has not arrived yet
Why uncertainty does not always mean you are lost
How improv can help us trust what emerges
What it means to choose curiosity over fear
Why small “bunny hops” can be more useful than perfect long-term plans
How playfulness can create connection, even in serious moments
Why being too attached to outcomes can limit possibility
A simple everyday exercise to shift your relationship with not knowing
&
Why saying “I don’t know” can be honest, human, and connecting
Question for your week:
Where in my life am I waiting for certainty before taking one honest step?
Or more simply:
What becomes possible if I let uncertainty be my friend for a moment?
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You’re amazing! Not because you always know the path. But because something in you can keep listening, choosing, and becoming, even when the path is unclear.
Guest:
Jeffrey Schwab
Founder of Uncertain Pathfinders | Chief Possibility Officer
🌐 www.uncertainpathfinders.com
💼 Jeffrey on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-schwab
💼 Uncertain Pathfinders on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/uncertain-pathfinders/
🎧 Uncertain Pathfinders Podcast: available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube and other platforms
Host:
Jorma
Co-Active Coach | 20+ years corporate
🌐 www.jormaschneider.com
📅 Free Chemistry Session: https://calendly.com/jormaschneider/30min
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jorma-schneider
Timestamps:
00:00:00 — The Running Bear cold open
00:00:16 — Welcome to JORMAZIN`
00:01:52 — Meet Jeffrey Schwab, Chief Possibility Officer
00:03:55 — How uncertainty became Jeffrey’s topic
00:06:09 — What improv teaches us about not knowing
00:08:39 — Jeffrey’s personal relationship with uncertainty
00:12:29 — Choosing curiosity over fear
00:12:46 — Rainbow thinking, bunny hops and small adventures
00:15:48 — Why structure does not always create certainty
00:17:30 — What happens when people start to play
00:23:34 — A live improv exercise: The Running Bear
00:32:38 — What children teach us about playfulness and uncertainty
00:37:20 — Being too attached to outcomes
00:42:28 — Simple exercises to embrace uncertainty today
00:48:46 — Where to find Jeffrey and Uncertain Pathfinders
