Parts of well-being are easier to talk about but stigma still stands in the way of having some of the tougher conversations. Substance use disorder is a mental illness that affects over 19.7 million Americans aged 12 and older, according to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health. On this episode Jen Fisher has a conversation with Laura McKowen, author of We Are the Luckiest, about substance use disorder and the strength we can learn from those in recovery.