In this episode of L2S!, leadership and gender equality expert Michelle Redfern sits down for an interview with the one and only Sheila Flavell. Sheila is an extraordinary leader (by our full ACtS! definition!) in the truest sense. She has created exceptional outcomes for business and women in the Tech industry. She continues leading today and has the curiosity and energy to keep learning and pushing herself into new territory. We were so inspired by this episode, and hope you are too!

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Bio for Guest, Sheila Flavell

Sheila Flavell has over 30 years experience in the global tech sector. She played an integral role in FDM’s flotation on AIM in 2005 and was a key instigator of the management buy-out of the Group in 2010 and the subsequent listing onto the main FTSE Market in 2014. Sheila’s sector knowledge has been crucial in driving FDM’s global expansion programme, taking them into the FTSE250. She spearheads the ‘Global Women in Tech’ campaign and created FDM’s hugely successful Returners Programme. Sheila is Deputy President of TechUK and chairs the Institute of Coding’s Industry Advisory Board. One of her proudest moments in business was when FDM achieved a zero gender pay gap. She has won numerous awards during her career for services to the tech industry and was recognised in the 2020 New Year’s Honours list with ‘Commander Of The Order Of The British Empire’ for her services to gender equality in IT and the employment of graduates and returners. She is also listed in Computer Weekly’s ‘Most Influential Women in UK Tech, Hall of Fame.’

Bio for Michelle Redfern

Michelle founded Advancing Women, an enterprise that provides research and advisory services on workplace gender equality, inclusion, and diversity. She is co-host of A Career that Soars! The Women Who Get It is the founder of the women’s network, co-founder of CDW (Culturally Diverse Women), and host of the Lead to Soar podcast.

Michelle is an experienced Non-Executive Director with Board and advisory roles in the finance, sport, for purpose and supply chain sectors. She is a proud Ambassador for Flexible Working Day and Girls Uniform Agenda. She has held executive leadership roles at ASX & FTSE listed companies NAB, Telstra and Serco during her 30-year corporate career.

Michelle is a Graduate of the AICD, holds an Executive MBA (Distinction) and has various accreditations in organisational diversity and coaching. She is an in-demand speaker, a regular contributor to the discussion, and an advocate for gender equality and inclusion in sports and business workplaces.

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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Cheryl Morrison Deutsch, CEO of Zillion, joins us on episode 28 of the Lead to Soar podcast to share her career story and philosophies on leadership.

Guest Bio: Cheryl Morrison Deutsch, CEO of Zillion, brings almost three decades of experience in translating business and technology requirements into actionable plans to provide superior user experiences. Morrison Deutsch most recently served as Executive Director of Customer Experience, Collaboration & Transformation at Kronos. Before this, she was a thought leader at Cloud Technology Partners, a premier cloud services and software company serving Fortune 500 companies, developing technical and organizational strategies to support customers’ business transformations. Morrison Deutsch also served as Chief Application Officer at Health Dialog, overseeing the design, development and implementation of a proprietary coaching application developed to convert predictive analytics into easily digestible contextual patient information.

NOTABLE QUOTES

QUOTES "It's ok that you don't know everything. You just surround yourself with people who can support you. You don't have to be an accountant to understand finance and its implications for your business. You add value in your experience and [through] your thoughtfulness around any subject... except maybe surgery." -- Cheryl Morrison Deutsch on Business, Strategic and Financial Acumen

"Information is only power when you share it." -- Cheryl Morrison Deutsch

"We don't care where you sit. We care what you do and how you do it." -- Cheryl Morrison Deutsch on leading the remote workforce of the future

"Don't let fear guide your [career] decisions." -- Cheryl Morrison Deutsch

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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Guest Bio: Laura Ryan BA (Hons), MSc, DipM MCIM 

Laura has a First-Class Honours in Marketing and a Masters in Management and has also achieved Chartered Marketer status via the Chartered Institute of Marketing. Laura joined the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB) in 2007 after successfully launching premium beef & lamb brands within a large butchery business in the North East of England. Working her way through the ranks she was appointed as Sector Strategy Director for Beef & Lamb Board in 2015. She led the strategic review and development for the Beef & Lamb sector in England by identifying key challenges and opportunities which deliver long-term growth. Last year, Laura successfully launched Lavenpark, her own consultancy business, which is working with levy boards and government and commercial companies to achieve greater success through improved industry insight, connectivity, business development, marketing, and communications. Laura is the founder and global Chair of Meat Business Women, launched in 2015. The United Nations have recently recognized it with Laura presenting on the contribution Meat Business Women makes to the global Sustainable Development Goals. 

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Meat Business Women

Episode Quotes

On Strategy -- “Don’t let folks tell you that it’s more complicated than that. Understand, do the research, understand where you are now, what’s the ambition, what’s the macro-environmental impact, what are your competitors doing, get the research, get the data, and then map out a road map.” - Laura Ryan “Strategic networking is essentially about generosity and reciprocity, but we have to invest time in it. And [we’re] debunking the myth that your networking is turning up to conferences or after-work functions with mediocre wine and dreadful canapes... It’s genuine care, but also having that strategic intent. And being able to say – this is where I want to be able have an impact in my industry, my sector, wherever it may be.” -Michelle Redfern "I think the networking piece is really important... investing in your network, in your personal board.” - Laura Ryan “Be brave and push yourself outside your comfort zone.” - Laura Ryan

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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Guest bio: Julie Escobar is a sharpened international market-driven leader and international businesswoman. She has driven the achievement of tremendous sales goals - from $20M to $50M in 3 years. Escobar is co-founder of Global Women Fresh, an organization whose mission is to leverage the talent of Women in produce to close the food industry’s gender divide by inspiring, connecting, and empowering women around the world.

Episode Quotes

“To go where you really want to go, you have to put the hours, you have to put the energy, the investment – financial and non-financial – and ultimately that takes determination, right? I mean you have to have determination, you have to be incredibly intentional about what your goals and your dreams are.” - Julie Escobar “Rock the boat. Ask difficult questions.” - Julie Escobar “Hope is not a strategy.” - Michelle Redfern “You need to understand how the company is making money. And when you are comfortable articulating – how does the company make money and how do you add value to that equation – and you can articulate that well in front of anyone... then I think that’s ultimately when you become someone critical in the equation.” - Julie Escobar “The advice given to women is so rarely around developing your business, strategic, and financial acumen. It’s so rarely about how to harness and point your ambition in the right way. It’s so rarely about unleashing their potential. It’s so often about their appearance. It’s so often about work-life balance. It’s so often about the very gendered things...” - Michelle Redfern “Absolutely, it is important to hit the numbers, and to hit the revenue and the profits, but at the same time it Is incredibly important to bring the team and to have an environment and a culture that you are supporting and empowering and mentoring the people behind you. Because if not, then it doesn’t really work. The company can be making millions and billions of dollars, but if everyone hates coming to work, it’s a nightmare for everyone”. - Julie Escobar “Putting your head down and your bottom up doing really good work is OK. But you need to also build those internal and external relationships.” - Michelle Redfern

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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Heather Polinsky is an environmental consulting professional with over 20 years of experience. She started as a civilian project manager for the US Army Environmental Command. She found herself in consulting not too long ago and has had a wonderful career trajectory that's taken her from Project Management through Program Management and Client Development. She is now a leader of leaders in Operations. In this episode of the Lead to Soar Podcast, Heather reflects on some of the ways mentors have helped her most, the best career advice she's ever received, and how she has developed The Missing 33% (business strategic and financial acumen) throughout her career. Heather was recently appointed as the Chief Operating Officer of Arcadis North America, with a staff of ~6,000 professionals.

Learn more about Arcadis by visiting Arcadis.com

Notable Quotes from Heather Polinsky:

On advice for professionals growing in leadership: "Really make sure that you're willing to ask questions, and the second part is - trust your team... We're all at the table because of something we offer that's unique... and if you've built a good team, it's designed that way. So use it!"

"You have to understand what your picture looks like and be happy with your picture. Don't spend your days comparing yourself to other people, families, or pictures. Because they might not be the same, but it's OK..."

"My message is: go for it now. If you think you'll be ready in a year, you're probably ready now."

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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Michelle Redfern sits down with Lizzy Goldfinch to explore the crucial intersection of money, leadership, and women’s potential. Lizzy shares her professional expertise and personal experiences to illuminate how financial literacy and independence are foundational for closing the leadership gender gap. The conversation focuses on breaking down harmful money myths, embracing financial empowerment, and taking actionable steps to build wealth and create choices.

Whether you’re navigating your career, seeking financial freedom, or dreaming of a larger impact in your community, this episode will inspire you to take control of your financial future.

Episode Highlights

The “3 Ds” of Financial Vulnerability:

• Death, Divorce, and Domestic Violence often leave women in precarious financial positions.

• Women aged 55+ are the fastest-growing demographic of homeless people in Australia, emphasizing the need for financial independence.

Why Money Matters:

• Financial resources give women the power of choice and freedom, enabling them to escape abusive situations or transition careers without fear.

• By 2034, women are projected to control 65% of Australia’s wealth, making financial literacy more crucial than ever.

Reframing Harmful Money Mindsets:

• Common limiting beliefs:

• “I’m not good with money.”

• “Money is vulgar or shameful to talk about.”

• Empowering reframes:

• “I’m learning to get better with money.”

• “I love money and the choices it brings.”

Investing in Yourself:

• Warren Buffett’s advice: The best investment you can make is in yourself.

• Tips for self-investment: podcasts, networking, online courses, and continuous learning.

The Power of Choice Through Money:

• Financial independence allows women to:

• Volunteer and engage in meaningful causes.

• Leave unsupportive workplaces or unhealthy relationships.

Practical Tips to Build Wealth:

• Create a “Runaway Fund” for emergencies or unexpected life transitions.

• Start small with consistent saving and investing—compounding interest is a game changer.

• Keep a record of your accomplishments to ensure fair remuneration at work.

Leadership Call to Action

1. Examine Your Money Mindset:

Identify any limiting beliefs you have about money. Write them down and consciously work to reframe them into empowering affirmations.

2. Start Building Wealth Today:

Open a savings account and set up an automated transfer—even $5 per paycheck can snowball over time.

3. Prepare for Your Next Salary Negotiation:

Document your accomplishments and contributions to the business. Set a target remuneration goal and plan your negotiation strategy now.

4. Get Educated:

Listen to podcasts like She’s on the Money, read books like The Barefoot Investor by Scott Pape, or follow Lizzie Goldfinch for actionable financial insights.

5. Support Your Community:

Use your financial resources or time to give back in meaningful ways—whether by mentoring, volunteering, or donating to causes you care about.

Connect with Lizzy Goldfinch:

Resources Mentioned in the Episode:

• The Barefoot Investor by Scott Pape

• The Millionaire Next Door by Thomas J. Stanley and William D. Danko

• PepTalkHer App by Meggie Palmer

            • The Snowball - Warren Buffet

Make sure to subscribe to Lead to Soar on your favourite podcast platform and share this episode with women in your network who are ready to take control of their financial futures.

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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In this follow-up episode, Michelle and Renata Bernade, host of The Job Hunting Podcast, tackle the other side of the equation—job hunting. For job seekers, the holiday season can be a nerve-wracking time, but Renata offers insights and strategies to stay proactive, avoid burnout, and prepare for success when the market picks up.

Topics include:

• Navigating the anxiety of job hunting during the quieter holiday season.

• Crafting your personal narrative for holiday gatherings and professional networking.

• Why LinkedIn optimization is critical for being found by recruiters.

• Using downtime to reflect, strategize, and strengthen your career assets.

• The importance of taking a break to recharge and avoid burnout.

Key Takeaways:

1. Prepare your narrative: Be ready to confidently answer, “What are you up to?” at holiday gatherings.

2. Leverage LinkedIn: Optimize your profile to ensure recruiters find you for the roles you want.

3. Reflect and strategize: Use the slower holiday season to assess your strengths and career goals.

4. Take a break: Job hunting is emotionally taxing—allow yourself time to recharge.

Links & Resources:

• Renata's LinkedIn Audit Services: https://www.renatabernarde.com/linkedin/

• The Job Hunting Podcast: https://www.thejobhuntingpodcast.com/podcast

• Lead to Soar Network: https://leadtosoar.network/landing

Final Thought:

Renata reminds listeners, “You will find a job. Take this time to focus on yourself, recharge, and set yourself up for success in the new year.”

Lead to Soar is a multi-platform resource for ambitious women on a leadership journey and for organisations serious about closing the leadership gender gap.

We support women and organisations in 5 ways;

The Lead to Network: https://leadtosoar.network/landing

The Lead to Soar Podcast: https://shows.acast.com/lead-to-soar

The Lead to Soar Summit: https://www.leadtosoar.com/summit

Women’s Leadership Programs: https://www.michelleredfern.com/advancing-women-in-business-sport

DEI Consulting & Advisory: https://www.michelleredfern.com/consulting

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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In this episode of Lead to Soar, Michelle welcomes back friend of the pod, Renata Bernarde to discuss hiring from the manager’s perspective.

Does the thought of hiring fill you with joy or dread? They explore this question because managers tell us that hiring often feels like a burden.  

Topics include:

• Why hiring feels like a chore for many leaders.

• Common pitfalls in hiring practices, including rushing decisions or hiring for “ghost jobs.”

• Strategies to make hiring purposeful and aligned with organizational goals.

• The importance of skills matrices, workforce planning, and building intentional hiring processes.

• How job descriptions can attract a diverse pool of candidates by moving away from unrealistic “unicorn” expectations.

Key Takeaways:

1. Plan ahead: Workforce planning and clear job descriptions are essential to hiring effectively.

2. Train hiring managers: Equip them with tools and strategies to align hiring with strategic goals.

3. Focus on strengths: Hire for skills and cultural fit, rather than ticking off an unrealistic checklist.

Links & Resources:

• Contact Renata: https://www.thejobhuntingpodcast.com/contact

• The Job Hunting Podcast: https://www.thejobhuntingpodcast.com/podcast

Lead to Soar is a multi-platform resource for ambitious women on a leadership journey and for organisations serious about closing the leadership gender gap.

We support women and organisations in 5 ways;

The Lead to Network: https://leadtosoar.network/landing

The Lead to Soar Podcast: https://shows.acast.com/lead-to-soar

The Lead to Soar Summit: https://www.leadtosoar.com/summit

Women’s Leadership Programs: https://www.michelleredfern.com/advancing-women-in-business-sport

DEI Consulting & Advisory: https://www.michelleredfern.com/consulting

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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Michelle Redfern is joined by Lisa Saunders and Natalie Moore from Own Your Health Collective to explore how workplaces can better support women through perimenopause and menopause, pivotal life stages impacting women at the peak of their careers. Together, they address the often-taboo subject of menopause, highlighting the need for awareness, education, and supportive policies to ensure that women can continue to thrive professionally during these changes. Lisa and Natalie share actionable insights for both organizational leaders and individuals to foster inclusive environments, reduce stigma, and introduce practical solutions that make a difference for women's health and well-being at work.

Episode Highlights

Menopause in the Workplace

  - Roughly one in five women consider leaving their job due to menopause symptoms, such as hot flashes, brain fog, and fatigue.

Normalizing Menopause Conversations

  - The conversation around menopause is currently where mental health awareness was a decade ago—leaders must build an open culture to reduce stigma.

  - Natalie emphasizes introducing “menopause vocabulary” in the workplace to increase understanding and normalize discussions about women’s health.

Impacts on Mental and Physical Health

  - Beyond physical symptoms, menopause often brings cognitive and emotional challenges, like anxiety, depression, and brain fog, which can affect work performance and confidence.

  - Supporting women through perimenopause and menopause contributes to healthier, more engaged employees and retains valuable leadership experience within companies.

Practical Ways Leaders Can Offer Support

  - Embrace flexibility in work hours, hybrid work, and options for part-time adjustments when symptoms are especially challenging.

  - Introduce menopause awareness training for managers to equip them with the language and empathy needed to support affected employees.

  - Implement workplace policies, such as health leave for menopause, to alleviate the pressure on women to “push through” symptoms without adequate support.

Breaking Down Stigmas and Biases

  - Michelle shares personal experiences of reluctance to discuss menopause and emphasizes the importance of visible role models to normalize the conversation.

  - Lisa and Natalie note that while many women feel uncomfortable discussing menopause, it is often a colleague or manager showing empathy that encourages them to seek support and open up.

Leadership Call to Action

Educate Yourself and Your Team:

   - Encourage company-wide learning sessions about menopause to introduce inclusive language and destigmatize the topic.

   - Train managers specifically on recognizing symptoms, creating open dialogue, and offering support to women who may be struggling with symptoms.

Be a Role Model and Normalize Menopause Discussions:

   - Women leaders can play a pivotal role by speaking openly about menopause experiences to pave the way for younger generations.

   - Encourage leaders to leverage existing frameworks like mental health awareness initiatives, using familiar concepts to open conversations on menopause as well.

Resources

- Own Your Health Collective: https://ownyourhealthco.com.au

- Own Your Health Collective: https://www.linkedin.com/company/own-your-health-collective/posts/?feedView=all

- Podcast: Perimenopause Power: https://omny.fm/shows/peri-menopause-power 

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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In this episode, Michelle Redfern is joined by Susan Colantuono, founder of Be Business Savvy and co-founder of the Lead to Soar Network, to discuss the transformative coaching approaches needed to support women’s advancement into senior leadership. This conversation focuses on how managers, mentors, and coaches can go beyond traditional coaching frameworks to build their own business acumen—and effectively coach women on these skills. By developing these critical coaching capabilities, we can bridge the leadership gender gap and elevate women leaders to new heights.

Key Topics Discussed:

• Transformative Coaching for Women Leaders: Michelle and Susan explore why standard coaching methods, often centered on Emotional Intelligence (EQ), fall short in preparing women for executive roles. They emphasize the need to integrate Business Intelligence (BQ) into coaching strategies, equipping women with essential business, financial, and strategic skills.

• The Missing Thirty-Three Percent: Susan shares her concept of the Missing Thirty-Three Percent—the skills gap in business, financial, and strategic acumen that women often face. This gap, left unaddressed, limits women’s advancement to senior positions. She urges coaches and mentors to prioritize building BQ to help women become recognized as invaluable business partners.

• Practical Coaching Approaches to BQ: Susan and Michelle outline actionable coaching techniques that managers, mentors, and coaches can adopt to help women develop and showcase business acumen. They discuss the value of guiding women to interpret financial metrics, contribute to strategic initiatives, and effectively communicate business outcomes to senior leaders.

• Gender Dynamics and Coaching: Susan offers insights on how gender biases in coaching can reinforce stereotypes, such as focusing on women’s confidence and work-life balance over business skills. By recognizing these dynamics, coaches can shift their approach to empower women with the skills that truly drive career advancement.

Actionable Insights:

1. For Coaches and Mentors: Build your own BQ skills to coach women effectively on business, financial, and strategic acumen. Make it a priority to help women develop the skills and language needed to be recognized as strategic partners within the organization.

2. For Managers and Leaders: Transform coaching by focusing on how women’s roles contribute to business results. Encourage them to engage with business metrics, strategy discussions, and broader organizational goals to build their reputation as key business players.

3. For Women in Leadership: Seek out opportunities to develop your business savvy. Understand how your work impacts the organization’s strategic objectives, and learn to communicate these impacts in ways that demonstrate your value as a leader.

Resources Mentioned:

• No Ceiling, No Walls by Susan Colantuono

• Be Business Savvy: BeBusinessSavvy.com

• Michelle Redfern’s The Leadership Compass for insights on BQ and leadership success.

Final Thoughts:

Michelle and Susan call on all managers, mentors, and coaches to step up their coaching game by integrating business acumen development into their support of women leaders. By strengthening their own BQ skills, these supporters can play a pivotal role in closing the leadership gender gap and positioning women as invaluable partners in the business.

Lead to Soar is a podcast for ambitious women and the leaders who support them. Hosted by Michelle Redfern and Mel Butcher, it delivers evidence-based, practical advice on leadership, career progression, and closing the gender gap. Join the Lead to Soar Network at leadtosoar.network or get Michelle’s book The Leadership Compass at michelleredfern.com/book.

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