Australian Senator Jordon Steele-John joins Dylan Alcott and Angus O’Loughlin to share what life is really like inside Parliament as a wheelchair user and one of the few disabled politicians in Australia. From rushing to Senate votes without extra time allowances to reshaping accessibility in politics, Jordon gives a candid and inspiring look at how inclusion, policy, and representation intersect in Australia’s most powerful building.

The conversation spans his journey from a 23-year-old Greens candidate from WA to a national advocate for accessibility, neurodiversity, and disability rights. Jordon opens up about moments of misunderstanding on the campaign trail, how his ADHD and cerebral palsy shape his leadership, and why true inclusion starts with “getting our own house in order.”

This episode is full of insight, humour, and practical advice for anyone—disabled or not—who wants to create change in their community.

Connect with Jordon:

• https://www.instagram.com/jordonsteelejohn/?hl=en 
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordon-steele-john-656ba917a/ 

Key Topics

• Life as a Senator with disability

• Accessibility barriers in Parliament House

• Ableism in political systems

• How Parliament handles (or doesn’t handle) disability inclusion

• The power of lived experience in politics

• Jordon’s journey to the Senate at age 23

• Disability pride and representation

• ADHD, cerebral palsy, and leadership

• Advice for young people with disability wanting to enter politics

• Building collective action for change

Quotes

“If Parliament is going to make laws that fix accessibility in the community, we’ve got to literally get our own house in order first.” – Jordon Steele-John

“People thought I was collecting for charity, not running for office. That moment showed how deeply society equates disability with needing help, not giving leadership.” – Jordon Steele-John

“Politics should represent every voice—including people with intellectual and cognitive disabilities. The system can and should be rebuilt to meet everyone’s access needs.” – Jordon Steele-John

About Jordon Steele-John

Jordon Steele-John is an Australian Greens Senator for Western Australia and the youngest person ever elected to the Australian Senate. A proud disabled man with cerebral palsy and ADHD, Jordon has been a leading advocate for disability rights, climate justice, and inclusive reform since 2017. His work includes helping establish the Disability Royal Commission and pushing for systemic accessibility across Australian institutions.

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In this episode of the ListenABLE with Karni Liddell she opens up about her incredible journey from being diagnosed with a neuromuscular condition at birth to becoming a world class Paralympian, advocate, and mother. Karni reflects on her experiences in elite sport, the evolution of disability representation, and the personal challenges that shaped her strength and perspective.

She speaks candidly about the realities of motherhood with a disability, the significance of the Paralympics in shifting public perception, and the ongoing fight to ensure people with disabilities are supported and seen.

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https://www.instagram.com/karniliddell/

https://au.linkedin.com/in/karniliddell

Key Takeaways
• Karni was diagnosed at birth with a neuromuscular wasting disease and was told she wouldn't live a long life.
• Sport became a powerful avenue for confidence, independence, and connection.
• The Paralympic movement has transformed dramatically over the past 25 years.
• Motherhood brought new purpose along with new challenges.
• Visibility and media representation play a critical role in changing perceptions.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
05:37 Karni Liddell’s Journey with Disability
18:38 Motherhood and Disability
24:39 Celebrating 25 Years of the Paralympics
25:39 Reflections on the 1996 Paralympics
28:11 The Impact of Sydney 2000
30:00 The Evolution of Disability Representation
32:54 The Future of Paralympic Sports
35:39 Challenges and Triumphs in Swimming
37:30 The New Generation of Paralympians
40:10 Representation in Media and Personal Identity

Karni Liddell, Paralympian, disability advocacy, motherhood, neuromuscular disease, Paralympic movement, representation, inclusion, athlete stories, resilience

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In this episode of Listenable, hosts Angus O'Loughlin and Dylan Alcott sit down with Sean Pollard, a para snowboarder and shark attack survivor whose story embodies resilience, courage, and reinvention. Sean opens up about the life-changing moment in 2014 when he lost both arms to a shark attack, and how he transformed that trauma into motivation—becoming an elite athlete with his sights set on the Paralympics.

The conversation explores the emotional and physical recovery process, the role of mindset in overcoming adversity, and how Sean found freedom and purpose through snowboarding. It’s an inspiring discussion about identity, adaptability, and redefining what’s possible after loss.

Key Takeaways

• Dylan Alcott hints at a potential comeback to tennis.

• Sean Pollard introduces himself as a para snowboarder.

• Sean lost both arms in a shark attack in 2014.

• He uses a split hook prosthetic for daily activities.

• Sean prefers the hook over an electronic hand for versatility.

• He recalls the traumatic details of the shark attack.

• Sean stresses the power of mindset in recovery.

• He found freedom and purpose through snowboarding.

• Sean is training for the upcoming Paralympics.

• He reflects on how the attack reshaped his identity and outlook on life.

Chapters

00:00 — Introduction and Comeback Discussion
02:01 — Meet Sean Pollard: A Snowboarder’s Journey
05:53 — The Shark Attack Experience
11:51 — Life After the Attack: Adapting to Disability
17:23 — Snowboarding: Finding Freedom on the Slopes
23:30 — Preparing for the Paralympics
29:20 — Reflections on Identity and Life Lessons

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In this episode of ListenABLE, hosts Dylan Alcott and Angus O’Loughlin sit down with Carly Salmon – athlete, teacher, and captain of the Para Matildas. Carly opens up about her journey with cerebral palsy, how sport shaped her identity, and why representation in disability sport matters now more than ever.

From her early years in athletics to leading Australia’s Para Matildas, Carly shares the highs and lows of competing, teaching, and empowering others. She reflects on the impact of women’s football, the importance of mental health in sport, and her mission to inspire young people to see their disabilities as strengths.

Follow their journey:

Carly's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carlysalmon

ParaMatildas: https://www.instagram.com/paramatildas/ 

Para Volley: https://www.instagram.com/ausparavolley/ 

Key Takeaways

• Diagnosed with cerebral palsy at 18 months, Carly has grown into a leader in sport and education.

• Represented Australia in athletics before transitioning into football.

• Captain of the Para Matildas, leading by example on and off the field.

• Teaching is central to her advocacy – showing kids that disability doesn’t limit potential.

• Women’s football’s rise has created more visibility and momentum for para athletes.

• Advocates strongly for funding and support to grow para sports in Australia.

• Believes sport is a powerful way to build identity, community, and empowerment.

Chapters

00:00 – Introduction to the Podcast and Guests
03:09 – Carly Salmon's Journey with Cerebral Palsy
05:55 – Teaching and Impact on Students
08:59 – Realizations of Disability in School
11:43 – Finding Strength in Disability
14:46 – Transitioning from Athletics to Football
17:49 – Leadership in Team Sports
20:44 – The Rise of Women's Football and Its Impact
23:49 – Pride in Disability Beyond Sports
26:37 – Future Goals for the Para Matildas
29:56 – Addressing Funding and Support for Para Sports

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1. In this episode of ListenABLe, we explore the complex and often overlooked connection between disability and sexuality with guest Oliver Morton Evans, a leading disability and sexuality advocate. Oliver shares his personal story of growing up with cerebral palsy, the unique challenges of navigating intimacy, dating, and relationships, and how accessibility barriers continue to shape the lives of people with disabilities. The conversation dives into the role of sex work, the impact of recent NDIS funding changes, and the importance of advocacy to ensure equal rights to intimacy, connection, and inclusion.

Hire him to model your clothes or brand: https://theright.fit/talent/oliver-m-1 

Connect: https://www.linkedin.com/in/olivermorton-evans 

Get your ‘Sambrella’ here: https://sammysworldofcolour.com/products/sambrella 

Watch the Full Episode with Captions Here: https://youtu.be/HqevPrCAUNo

Recorded, edited and produced by Angus' Podcast Company: www.sessioninprogress.com.au

Key Takeaways

• Conversations around disability and sexuality should be normalised and accessible.

• Oliver Morton Evans is a passionate advocate for inclusion in dating, relationships, and intimacy.

• Growing up with cerebral palsy created significant barriers to forming intimate connections.

• In pursuit of learning intimacy, Oliver once joined a meetup group that revealed itself as a sex cult.

• Accessibility in both social and sexual spaces remains a major challenge.

• Recent NDIS restrictions limit funding for sexual services, affecting many in the disability community.

• Sex work can play a vital role in providing connection, intimacy, and advocacy for people with disabilities.

• There is a pressing need for better sex education that is inclusive of people with disabilities.

• Oliver has produced erotic film content showcasing disabled bodies and intimacy to challenge stigma.

• Advocacy continues for the right of people with disabilities to access sexual expression and services.

Chapters

00:00 – Introduction to Disability and Sexuality Conversations
02:11 – Oliver's Journey and Advocacy in Disability
07:19 – Navigating Intimacy and Dating as a Person with Disability
12:50 – Accessibility Challenges in Social and Sexual Spaces
18:59 – The Role of Sex Work in Disability Advocacy
23:46 – Funding and Support for Sexual Services in Disability
26:04 – Future Aspirations and Ongoing Advocacy

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In this episode of the ListenABLE podcast, hosts Angus and Dylan sit down with Sara Shams — a pharmacist, model, and disability advocate — to share her inspiring journey as a bilateral above-knee amputee living with the rare genetic condition tibial hemimelia.

Sara opens up about her early life and multiple surgeries, how advances in prosthetics technology have shaped her independence, and the confidence she’s built through advocacy and representation in media. The conversation dives into cultural perspectives on disability, the impact of the Shift 20 initiative on increasing authentic representation, and how brands can move beyond tokenism to embrace true inclusion.

From breaking into the modelling industry to launching consultancy work for accessible runways, Sara shares the importance of personal choice in mobility aids, resilience in the face of stigma, and the power of visibility in changing perceptions.

What You’ll Learn:

• How prosthetic advancements are transforming independence and mobility.

• Why authentic representation matters for the disability community.

• The business and social impact of the Shift 20 initiative.

• How to address tokenism through education and cultural change.

• The role of confidence, resilience, and personal choice in disability advocacy.

Get in contact with Sara: https://sarashams.au/ 

Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarashams

Watch the Full Episode with Captions Here: https://youtu.be/ux5keqFJjTM 

Recorded, edited and produced by Angus' Podcast Company: www.sessioninprogress.com.au

Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guests
03:00 Sara Shams: A Journey Through Disability
05:53 Understanding Tibial Hemimelia and Its Impact
08:56 Surgical Journey and Early Life Experiences
12:04 Evolution of Prosthetics and Technology
15:01 Building Confidence and Embracing Disability
17:54 Cultural Perspectives on Disability
18:25 The Journey into Modeling
21:37 Advocacy through Shift 20 Initiative
22:42 Navigating Tokenism and Authentic Representation
26:51 Launching her Consultancy
30:16 The Balance of Representation and Tokenism

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In today's episode of ListenABLE, we’re joined by Jessica Horner, a neurodivergent journalist and policy advisor living with autism, ADHD, and multiple medical disabilities. Jessica offers a powerful and deeply personal conversation about what it means to navigate life and work through the lens of disability and neurodivergence.

Together, we explore the dynamic nature of disability and how traditional models often fall short of recognising the full spectrum of lived experience. From unpacking the emotional and physical toll of masking and autistic burnout, to examining the recent rise in ADHD diagnoses, Jessica reflects on the evolving language, systems, and stigmas surrounding neurodivergence.

We also delve into how medical disabilities intersect with mental health, the role of support systems, and the importance of creating safer spaces for disclosure, especially in workplaces where harassment and bias remain widespread. Drawing from her background in journalism, Jessica discusses how the media shapes public perception of disability and why self-diagnosis is a valid and vital part of identity for many.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in disability advocacy, inclusive mental health practices, and challenging the assumptions we make about what disability looks like.

Trigger Warning: Themes of Suicide Discussed

Want to connect with Jessica? Check out the links Below!

• Website: https://www.spoonfulsofwhimsy.com.au/
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/spoonfulsofwhimsy
• Email: [email protected]

Watch the Full Episode with Captions Here: https://youtu.be/4yAC4QLQ1ec

If you feel like you need support after today's episode please look at the links below:

• Beyond Blue (1300 22 4636): https://www.beyondblue.org.au/
• Lifeline Australia (13 11 14): https://www.lifeline.org.au/

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In this episode of ListenABLE, registered psychologist Kellie Forrest shares her experiences living with cerebral palsy and working in mental health. As both a parent and a professional, Kellie provides insight into how internalised ableism, societal attitudes, and systemic gaps impact people with disability in day-to-day life.

Kellie speaks candidly about parenting with a disability, navigating hospitals and schools, and the assumptions she’s encountered as a disabled parent. She reflects on how these experiences intersect with her work as a psychologist, where she supports neurodivergent clients and applies trauma-informed and behaviour support frameworks.

The conversation dives into the complexity of the NDIS, including inconsistent access to support and difficulties with innovative treatments. Kellie also recounts her personal experience with a car accident and the barriers faced during the insurance claims process—especially when dealing with modified vehicles.

Throughout the episode, Dylan and Angus explore how lived experience can shape professional practice, and why representation within psychology and healthcare matters.

Want to contact Kellie? Reach out to her clinic: [email protected]

Watch the Full Episode with Captions Here: https://youtu.be/Yul1SVSnomA

Grab our first merch release at our website Session in Progress.
https://fromyourpocket.com.au/work/listenable/merch

Recorded, edited and produced by Angus' Podcast Company: www.sessioninprogress.com.au

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In this episode of ListenABLE, Angus O'Loughlin and Dylan Alcott are  joined by Rita Havea, a model, content creator and disability advocate living with Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease (CMT), a progressive genetic neuromuscular condition,

"Went and saw a genetic counsellor, linked myself to CMT support groups, did as much research as possible,'cause I felt that made me feel stronger in myself".

The conversation also delves into how disability can affect family dynamics, particularly when conditions go unrecognised across generations. Rita reflects on her mother’s undiagnosed CMT and how this shaped their family’s understanding of disability.

As someone working within the fashion and creative industries as a model/creator, Rita shares her perspective on disability representation in media and modelling, and why change often feels cosmetic rather than structural. She also touches on genetic counselling, community support, and her shift towards creative direction and public speaking.

This episode offers a grounded conversation about disability, inclusion and identity — avoiding clichés and focusing instead on lived experience, structural barriers, and the importance of visibility that goes beyond aesthetics.

Want to see more of Rita and her work? Check our the links below!

• Website: https://www.silverfoxmgmt.com.au/portfolios/rita-havea
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamrita_h/

Watch the Full Episode with Captions Here: https://youtu.be/0YKK4wE4ViM

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In this episode of ListenABLE, hosts Dylan Alcott and Angus O’Loughlin speak with Cherie Clonan — autistic business leader, digital marketing expert, and founder of The Digital Picnic. Diagnosed with Autism later in life, Cherie shares her lived experience as a neurodivergent woman, parent of autistic children, and CEO of one of Australia’s most human-centric digital agencies.

"The way I parent, the way I show up in my marriage, I'm a better friend for that diagnosis sitting in my life now..."

Listeners will hear how Cherie transformed The Digital Picnic from a small business into a multi-million dollar, award-winning agency known for prioritising mental health, inclusivity, and neurodiverse-friendly work practices. She explains how discovering her neurodivergence reshaped her personal life, improved her relationships, and empowered her leadership style.

This episode delves into the importance of normalising disability, challenging ableism in the workplace, and creating supportive environments for neurodivergent employees. Cherie also discusses the impact of late diagnosis, the power of self-understanding, and how investing in employee wellbeing leads to business success.

Whether you're interested in autism advocacy, inclusive leadership, or neurodiversity in business, this inspiring conversation offers practical insights and real-life experiences that will resonate with many.

Want to see more of Cherie and The Digital Picnic? Check our the links below!

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cherie-clonan/
• Website: https://www.thedigitalpicnic.com.au/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedigitalpicnic/

Watch the Full Episode with Captions Here: https://youtu.be/mnWV0tVApPk

Grab our first merch release at our website Session in Progress.
https://fromyourpocket.com.au/work/listenable/merch

Recorded, edited and produced by Angus' Podcast Company: www.sessioninprogress.com.au

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