Bobby and Jens sit down with Amy Charity and TJ Juskiewicz to discuss the inexorable growth of the El Tour de Tuscon - the rise and rise of gravel in the USA - plus how they're bringing gravel to a European audience... and how we can bring back the glory days back to the domestic road racing scene.

Bobby and Jens is a Shocked Giraffe production for Velo. This episode was produced and edited by Mark Payne .

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