I can't believe how fortunate I was to be able to interview CNN contributor, journalist, commentator, editor, author and all-around inspiring person Mary Katherine Ham about her complicated relationship with running, her life, overcoming tragedy, her really, really good book "end of Discussion: How the Left's Outrage Industry Shuts Down Debate, Manipulates Voters, and Makes America Less Free, and just about anything else that came up. She's a delight. I think there's something for everyone in this talk.

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