Bobby Julich and Jens Voigt catch up with Movistar's US star Matteo Jorgenson. Hear about his coping mechanisms for French bureaucracy, why he's grateful he wasn't a good junior and what it's really like having to take on Tadej Pogacar head to head.

Bobby and Jens is a Velonews production in association with Shocked Giraffe. This episode was produced by Mark Payne and edited by Tim Mossa