Brad Kammer talks with Dr. Martin Lemon, a clinical psychologist who has been practicing in Chicago's western suburbs for more than 25 years. Dr. Lemon's work focuses on the psychology of men and male identity.

Dr. Lemon shares how he integrates NARM into his work, both conceptually and in practice.  Brad and Dr. Lemon also discuss their own personal experiences of trauma in the context of what is often called "toxic masculinity".

Dr. Lemon began facilitating men's groups to promote an opportunity for deeper connection between men. Dr. Lemon encourages the men in his group to be curious, reflective, and to allow space for one another to open up in a deeper way, beyond more surface-level connection.

Since being trained in NARM, Dr. Lemon has incorporated what in NARM is called "contracting", meaning asking what the participants want for themselves out of the group meeting. He also is guided internally by the NARM framework and shares about how he is better able to hold the complexity of the group versus only aligning with a "positive" position. 

Dr. Lemon shares that healthy vulnerability is the key to a deeper relationship with others as well as with oneself. Deepening one's capacity for vulnerability seems to be the antidote to toxic masculinity.

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