Metta Hour with Sharon Salzberg

The Buddha taught a path of awakened living, but how does that manifest in today’s world of constant connectivity and widespread suffering? 

How do we keep our hearts open without being defined or hardened by the pain that surrounds us, whether personal, collective, or historical? How do we navigate the paradox of holding both pain and joy, without mistaking suffering for punishment or personal failure? Can we infuse our compassion with wisdom and perspective to find the agency to take meaningful action in our communities? In her new series, Engaged Compassion, Sharon delves into these questions and more, engaging in candid conversations with a diverse group of teachers, activists, and changemakers. 

For the fifth episode in the series, Sharon speaks with Mirabai Bush, marking her third appearance on the Metta Hour. Mirabai is an author, social entrepreneur, teacher, and spiritual leader. She is recognized for her pioneering role in integrating mindfulness and contemplative practices into secular sectors of American life, including business, higher education, law, and social activism. Mirabai’s contributions include co-founding influential organizations such as the Center for Contemplative Mind in Society and the Seva Foundation and co-developing Google's Search Inside Yourself Leadership Institute. She is also a longtime board member of the Love Serve Remember Foundation. Her latest book, Almost Home, is a memoir published in 2025.

Please note this conversation contains discussion of gun violence during and civil unrest at Kent State University in 1970.

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In this conversation, Mirabai and Sharon speak about:

• The process of writing a memoir
• Why Mirabai went to the East
• What drew Mirabai to activism 
• Meeting Ram Dass and Neem Karoli Baba
• Mirabai in the civil rights movement
• Sustaining engagement over time
• Non-attachment alongside passion
• Loving Awareness as taught by Ram Dass
• How acceptance leads to change-making
• The role of hope in activism
• Revolution is bread and roses
• Seva Foundation’s roots
• Mirabai’s advice for social engagement
• Staying informed in a balanced way
• How communities respond to compassion action
• The Lovingkindness Nun in Burma

Additional Resources

To close out the episode, Mirabai leads a “Just Like Me” meditation. Learn more about Mirabai’s work right here. Her most recent book, Almost Home, is available right here. You can listen to Mirabai’s previous episodes on the Metta Hour here and here.

Related Metta Hour Episodes

Episode 94 Ram Dass and Mirabai Bush on the Metta Hour, released in 2019.

Episode 114 Remembering Ram Dass with Mirabai Bush and Raghu Markus on the Metta Hour, released in 2020.

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The Buddha taught a path of awakened living, but how does that manifest in today’s world of constant connectivity and widespread suffering? 

How do we keep our hearts open without being defined or hardened by the pain that surrounds us, whether personal, collective, or historical? How do we navigate the paradox of holding both pain and joy, without mistaking suffering for punishment or personal failure? Can we infuse our compassion with wisdom and perspective to find the agency to take meaningful action in our communities?

In her new series, Engaged Compassion, Sharon delves into these questions and more, engaging in candid conversations with a diverse group of teachers, activists, and changemakers. For the fourth episode in the series, Sharon speaks with Parker J. Palmer and Jerry Colonna.  

Parker J. Palmer is a writer, speaker and activist who focuses on issues in education, community, leadership, spirituality and social change. He is founder and Senior Partner Emeritus of the Center for Courage & Renewal. Parker holds a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at Berkeley, as well as fourteen honorary doctorates, two Distinguished Achievement Awards from the National Educational Press Association, and an Award of Excellence from the Associated Church Press. Parker is the author of ten books—including several award-winning titles—that have sold nearly two million copies and been translated into ten languages, including “On the Brink of Everything,” “Healing the Heart of Democracy,” and “The Promise of Paradox.”

Jerry Colonna is a renowned coach, writer, and speaker who specializes in leadership, business, and the practice of radical self-inquiry. He is the Co-founder and CEO of Reboot.io, a company inspired by the belief that work need not destroy us. He is also the author of two books: "Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up" (2019) and "Reunion: Leadership and the Longing to Belong" (2023). For more than two decades, Jerry has championed the idea that work should be non-violent to the self, the community, and the planet. 

In this conversation, Sharon, Parker and Jerry speak about:

• Parker’s approach to suffering
• Responsibility is the ability to respond
• John Rogers’ forms of suffering in the world
• The pain of denying that which is true
• Why humans are drawn to “othering”
• The innate desire to grow
• What it means to lead a fuller life
• Looking for happiness in the wrong places
• Deconditioning a control mindset
• Is the world actually worse right now?
• How to face our fears
• How to reverse othering
• We need stories about overcoming fear 
• It helps to do hard things together 
• Revamping institutions to support 
• Getting involved in your local community

Additional Resources

You can learn more about Parker’s work right here and check out his Substack right here. You can learn more about Jerry’s work and his organization, Reboot.io, right here. This episode is also being released on the Reboot Podcast, available right here. 

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The Buddha taught a path of awakened living, but how does that manifest in today’s world of constant connectivity and widespread suffering? How do we keep our hearts open without being defined or hardened by the pain that surrounds us, whether personal, collective, or historical? How do we navigate the paradox of holding both pain and joy, without mistaking suffering for punishment or personal failure? Can we infuse our compassion with wisdom and perspective to find the agency to take meaningful action in our communities? In her new series, Engaged Compassion, Sharon delves into these questions and more, engaging in candid conversations with a diverse group of teachers, activists, and changemakers. 

For the third episode in the series, Sharon speaks with Anu Gupta, marking his fourth appearance on the Metta Hour. Anu Gupta is an educator, lawyer, scientist, and the founder and CEO of Be More with Anu. His work has reached 300+ organizations, trained more than 80,000 professionals, and impacted over 30 million lives. As a gay immigrant of color, Anu came to the work of breaking bias due to lifelong experiences with racism, homophobia, and Islamophobia. He is a trained meditation and yoga teacher with over 10,000 hours of meditation practice and has a JD from NYU Law and BA in International Relations and Middle Eastern & Islamic Studies. As a peer-reviewed author, Anu has written and spoken extensively, including on the TED stage, the Oprah Conversation, Fast Company, and Newsweek. His first book, “Breaking Bias” came out in 2024 from Hay House and he currently shares his writings via his Substack, Soul Force for the 21st Century.

In this conversation, Sharon and Anu speak about:

• How to cultivate goodwill
• Bearing witness to suffering
• Working with anger and delusion
• Teachings from the Bhagavad Gita
• Compassion’s near and far enemies
• Non-attachment in activism
• Joseph Goldstein’s essential teachings
• Equanimity in practice
• Combining the spiritual, personal, and political 
• Collective consciousness as an ocean
• Wisdom from Margaret Mead, Gandhi, and MLK Jr.
• Boundaries around media
• Buddha’s five remedies for anger
• The lifelines of Sangha (community) 

Additional Resources

To close out the episode, Anu leads a guided meditation. You can learn more about Anu’s work right here and check out his Substack writings right here. 

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For episode 284, devon and nico hase return to the Metta Hour to speak with Sharon about their new book, This Messy, Gorgeous Love: A Buddhist Guide to Lasting Partnership. 

devon and nico serve as guiding teachers of the online dharma community Refuge of Belonging. They teach at the Insight Meditation Society, Spirit Rock, and other centers, offer online and in-person retreats, and speak with students in one-on-one sessions. Their first book How Not to Be a Hot Mess, came out in 2020 and their 2026 release, This Messy, Gorgeous Love, is now available in paperback and audiobook formats. This is devon and nico’s second appearance on the Metta Hour.

In this conversation, devon, nico and Sharon speak about:

• The motivation for the new book
• After the “happily ever after”
• Approaching relationship as practice
• The healing of deep listening 
• Common myths of relationships
• Buddhist personality types
• Dukkha (suffering) in a relationship
• Impermanence informing connection
• Forgiveness practice
• Different conflict styles
• Learning how to repair after rupture
• Making room for play and joy
• Supporting each other’s joy
• devon & nico's three-year retreat

This episode closes with a guided appreciation practice led by devon. Learn more about devon and nico’s new book, This Messy, Gorgeous Love, and other offerings by visiting their website right here. 

Join Nico and Sharon virtually on May 9th, 2026 for a daylong teaching The Fire That Sustains.

You can hear devon and nico’s first appearance on Ep. 142 of the Metta Hour Podcast.

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The Buddha taught a path of awakened living, but how does that manifest in today’s world of constant connectivity and widespread suffering?

How do we keep our hearts open without being defined or hardened by the pain that surrounds us, whether personal, collective, or historical? How do we navigate the paradox of holding both pain and joy, without mistaking suffering for punishment or personal failure? Can we infuse our compassion with wisdom and perspective to find the agency to take meaningful action in our communities? 

In her new series, Engaged Compassion, Sharon delves into these questions and more, engaging in candid conversations with a diverse group of teachers, activists, and changemakers.

For the second episode in the series, Sharon speaks with Valarie Kaur, making her third appearance on the Metta Hour.

Valarie is a renowned social justice leader, lawyer, award-winning filmmaker, faith leader, mother, and best-selling author of See No Stranger, Sage Warrior, and World of Wonder. She leads the Revolutionary Love Project, building a movement to reclaim love as a force for justice. A daughter of Punjabi Sikh farmers in California, Valarie earned degrees at Stanford University, Harvard Divinity School, and Yale Law School and holds several honorary doctorates. She lives in LA in a multi-generational family.

Please note this conversation contains discussion of gun violence and ICE brutality.

In this conversation, Valarie and Sharon speak about:

• Valarie’s Revolutionary Bus Tour
• Embodying a world we want to live in
• Engagement over Escapism
• Wisdom from Angela Harrelson
• Valerie’s recent time in Minneapolis
• Redefining what it is to be a “neighbor”
• Reclaiming the best of our ancestral wisdom
• Shifting from either/our to both/and
• Breathing to alchemize suffering
• A future that leaves no one behind
• Love as our birthright
• How to love opponents without giving in
• The importance of humanizing the enemy
• The whole world is our family
• We don’t go to battle alone
• Community care versus self-care
• Different forms of resistance
• Mai Bhago and the 40 Liberated Ones

Additional Resources

The episode closes with a guided meditation led by Valarie.

Learn more about Valarie’s work right here. Here most recent book, Sage Warrior, is coming out in paperback on April 14th, 2026.

You can listen to Valarie’s first appearance on the Metta Hour in Episode 126, recorded in 2020 and her second appearance, Episode 218, recorded in 2023.

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For episode 282, Elisha Goldstein, PhD, returns to the Metta Hour to speak with Sharon about his new book, Tiny Shifts: How Emotional Health Transforms Stress, Relationships, and Longevity.

Elisha Goldstein is a clinical psychologist, bestselling author, and the co-founder of The Center for Mindful Living and Psychotherapy in Los Angeles. For over two decades, he has helped people break free from the conditioning that keeps them stuck in cycles of stress and overwhelm, uncovering how emotional health naturally transforms stress, relationships, and longevity. Elisha is the author of several books, including Uncovering Happiness, and The Now Effect, as well as hosting The Emotional Longevity Podcast. 

In this conversation, Sharon and Elisha speak about:

• Living in a culture of overwhelm
• David Foster Wallace’s fish story
• Insight alone doesn’t create change
• Underlying conditioning of chronic stress
• Realizing our natural intelligence
• The challenge of practicing wisdom
• How tiny shifts create lasting change
• Interrupting stress patterns
• Emotional regulation and impulse control
• The 4R method: Recognize, Release, Refocus, Reinforce
• How emotional health supports longevity
• Listening to the body’s signals
• Reclaiming our attention

This episode closes with a guided meditation led by Elisha.

Learn more about Elisha’s new book Tiny Shifts: How Emotional Health Transforms Stress, Relationships, and Longevity and his other offerings, by visiting his website right here. You can listen to Elisha’s first appearance on the Metta Hour from 2018 right here.

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The Buddha taught a path of awakened living, but how does that manifest in today’s world of constant connectivity and widespread suffering?

How do we keep our hearts open without being defined or hardened by the pain that surrounds us, whether personal, collective, or historical? How do we navigate the paradox of holding both pain and joy, without mistaking suffering for punishment or personal failure? Can we infuse our compassion with wisdom and perspective to find the agency to take meaningful action in our communities? In her new series, Engaged Compassion, Sharon delves into these questions and more, engaging in candid conversations with a diverse group of teachers, activists, and changemakers. 

For the inaugural episode, Sharon’s speaks with longtime friend and colleague, Jerry Colonna—a renowned coach, writer, and speaker who specializes in leadership, business, and the practice of radical self-inquiry. Jerry is the Co-founder and CEO of Reboot.io, a company inspired by the belief that work need not destroy us. He is also the author of two books: "Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up" (2019) and "Reunion: Leadership and the Longing to Belong" (2023). For more than two decades, Jerry has championed the idea that work should be non-violent to the self, the community, and the planet. This marks his third appearance on the Metta Hour Podcast.

In this conversation, Sharon and Jerry speak about:

• Suffering and the end of suffering
• The Four Noble Truths
• Sara Bareilles and Gavin Creel
• Holding many things at once
• Where resilience comes from
• How generosity can appear in extreme loss
• Jerry’s time in India after an earthquake
• The dynamics of hope and fear
• How we actually “get over loss”
• Misunderstanding karma
• Control veiled as “magical thinking”
• How unworthiness leads to isolation
• Compassion is not hierarchical
• The Dalai Lama winning a Grammy
• Suffering versus Extra Suffering
• Facing our helplessness
• The fixation with fixing things
• Finding fuel for the long haul
• Facing our nihilism

Additional Resources

You can learn more about Jerry’s work and his organization Reboot.io right here. This episode is also being release on the Reboot Podcast, which can be found right here. You can listen to Jerry’s first appearance on the Metta Hour in Episode 102, recorded in 2019 and his second appearance, Episode 229, recorded in 2023.

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For episode 280 of the Metta Hour, we are celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Insight Meditation Society, which opened doors on Valentine’s Day in 1976. 

Today, IMS is one of the Western world’s oldest and most respected meditation retreat centers, dedicated to providing a spiritual refuge for all who seek freedom of mind and heart. The Retreat Center offers a range of silent meditation courses, ranging from a weekend to three months. IMS Online offers retreats, sanghas, dharma talks, courses, and other programming to support your practice from our virtual meditation hall. IMS also has two adjacent retreat facilities – the Retreat Center and the Forest Refuge – that are set among almost 400 secluded wooded acres in the quiet country of central Massachusetts. 

In this episode, Sharon presents a special episode from the archives of IMS history featuring her teacher Dipa Ma. Originally recorded in October of 1984, when Dipa Ma was visiting IMS, this dharma talk was given as part of the 1984 three-month retreat. Through an interpreter, Dipa Ma shares the story of how we came to meditation following tremendous loss. She reflects on her early years of practice under the tutelage of Anagarika Munindra and how she gradually began teaching meditation. She also takes questions from the audience about her practice from the attending three-month retreatants. 

Resources

A full transcript of this episode is available right here.

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For episode 279, Jack Kornfield returns to the Metta Hour to talk about his new book, “All in This Together: Stories and Teachings for Loving Each Other and Our World.”

Jack trained as a Buddhist monk in Thailand, Burma, and India and has taught worldwide since 1974. He is one of the key teachers to introduce Buddhist mindfulness practices to the West. He is the cofounder of the Insight Meditation Society and of Spirit Rock Center in Woodacre, California. He holds a PhD in clinical psychology and has written more than fifteen books, including The Wise Heart, A Path with Heart, and more. 

In this conversation, Sharon and Jack speak about:

• The impetus for Jack’s new book
• The universe is made of stories
• Beginner’s Mind as the goal of practice
• Ajahn Chah’s squirrel story 
• How repetition factors into storytelling
• Trusting the gifts of interconnectedness 
• Ram Dass as the great public neurotic
• The glance of mercy
• The Bodhisattva Vow
• Envisioning generosity to change the world
• Working with our expectations
• Despair is not the end of the story
• Mindful Service as a source of happiness
• The Insight Meditation Society's 50th anniversary
• The founding of IMS told by Jack
• How the Dharma evolves across cultures

This episode closes with a guided meditation from Jack. Learn more about Jack’s many offerings right here and get yourself a copy of his new book All in This Together.

Join the IMS 50th anniversary online celebration on February 14th, 2026! Learn more and register right here.

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For episode 278, Sharon sits down with author and friend, Parvati Markus, the editor of the new Ram Dass book, “There is No Other: The Way to Harmony and Wholeness.” 

Parvati is a developmental editor who has been midwifing non-fiction books and memoirs since her first efforts with Ram Dass’s classic Be Here Now. She serves on the Board of Advisors for the Love Serve Remember Foundation and has helped with many other spiritual organizations and events. Parvati is also the author of numerous books, including Whisper in the Heart and Love Everyone. This is Parvati’s first appearance on the Metta Hour.

In this conversation, Parvati and Sharon speak about:

• How Parvati found her path
• Meeting Neem Karoli Baba
• Ram Dass and Parvati’s friendship
• Parvati’s contribution to “Be Here Now”
• The inspiration for “There is No Other”
• Moving past “us” and “them”
• Balancing real life & spiritual life
• Substituting noticing for judging 
• Neem Karoli Baba’s directive of service
• Ram Dass learning to accept help
• Moving from Role to Soul
• How to be here now in times of difficulty
• Community as the future Buddha
• Joseph Goldstein’s fateful meeting with Ram Dass
• What is Loving Awareness
• Ram Dass’s final public appearance

This episode closes with a guided meditation from Ram Dass that invites us to let go of the heaviness of confusion and our rigid models of who we are and how it is. 

Learn more about Parvati’s many book projects right here and get yourself a copy of Ram Dass’s new book “There is No Other” right here in hardcover, ebook and audiobook formats.

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