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When I say the name Liz Ellis, you probably think one of three things:

• One of the greatest Netballers our country has ever seen 
• A very funny media commentator
• The winner of I’m A Celebrity Get Me out of here a few years ago.

What you probably don’t think of is Liz Ellis the farmer. Liz, her husband of 25 years, Matthew, and their two children live on a farm in between Lismore, Ballina and Byron Bay growing beef cattle. Liz and Matthew bought the land 14 years ago when their professional sporting careers came to an end, Matthew as a former Waratahs rugby union player, and Liz as the captain of the Australian Netball team the Diamonds. Liz’s road to motherhood wasn’t as simple as she had initially thought. After falling pregnant easily with her daughter, Liz thought she’d be able to fall pregnant again with her second child. But after 3 miscarriages and IVF treatment, Liz and Matthew were ready to give up. But then, along came her son, in his own time. On this episode, Liz and I chat about it all - including farming, fertility, motherhood, and menopause. 

We look forward to sharing more from our autumn sponsor Telstra and their initiatives, programs, helpful tools and changes in regional technology impacting the lives of rural Australian families.  Do you think you know Telstra? To learn more head to: https://www.telstra.com.au/coverage-networks/telstra-regional-australia 

The Country Women’s Association of NSW has been supporting regional, rural and remote women, children and their communities for over 100 years and they want to keep that voice and diversity of membership strong into the future. Sign-up in April for a reduced rate on membership. Contact your local branch or head to: https://www.cwaofnsw.org.au/join to become a member today. 

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Outback Queensland is in crisis. An area more than double the size of Victoria has been hit by devastating floods not seen in 50 years. Properties have been inundated, More than 150,000 livestock have perished, with the death toll rising. Farmers are scrambling to save cattle, feed cattle, and salvage what they can. Behind the headlines, are the true stories of this unfolding crisis- the rural families at breaking point because of the emotional toll - the financial one is not something they’re even able to comprehend yet. And through it all- mothers continue to mother. Because they have no choice. 

Shona Underwood is a rural mum who is right in the thick of this catastrophe- she lives on a station between Quilpie and Windorah. The deluge came without warning in the night, as her and her husband scrambled to evacuate with two of their young children. Not only are you going to hear the incredible story of one of the most extraordinary rural mums I’ve ever spoken to, you're also going to hear some of the key issues affecting rural families in the floods right now. The things you don’t hear on the news. 

This is Shona’s story. 

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Beyond Blue 1300 224 636

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1800 RESPECT (1800 737 732)

PANDA 1300 726 306

1800 4 WOMEN (1800 496 636)

Rural Aid 1300 175 594

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Em Armstrong is a glass half full kind of person. She’s one of those people who oozes positivity, you can see it on her socials, and hear it in her voice. Growing up in New South Wales’ Riverina district on a sheep grazing property, Em has always loved the bush. And she’s always been connected to it. Em has worked on stations in the Northern Territory, and lived in Sydney for five years. But it’s when she returned to the Riverina to move in with her now husband Hamish that she really found her calling. In 2018 she completed her yoga teacher training, and she started Saltbush Stretch, a yoga and pilates studio in Hay NSW, and an online fitness hub. And while building her business, Em and Hamish decided to start trying for a family. But that part hasn’t been as simple. After two years of trying to fall pregnant, they booked in to see a fertility specialist. But the week Em was meant to have an operation, she found out she was pregnant… with twins. However after the 12 week scan, Em tragically lost one of her babies. But thankfully, one of them survived - their son Ted. Now, three years on, Em and Hamish are trying to expand their family, but it hasn’t been without trials. At just 31, Em has the egg count of someone in perimenopause. But, there’s still hope. Her fertility journey, while heartbreaking, is also full of perhaps the most positive attitude I’ve ever encountered. Despite everything, she’s not giving up hope. This is Em Armstrong’s story.

A final thank you to our seasonal partner nbn for an incredible summer podcast season. nbn is committed to bridging the digital divide by ensuring that, no matter where we live in regional, rural and remote Australia, we are connected. To learn more about their commitment to regional and remote Australia in 2025 - click here to read this report

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After Rosie Clements spent her gap year as a Jillaroo in the Northern Territory she knew she wanted a career that would enable her to help people in the bush. After starting degrees in law and teaching, Rosie finally landed on the right one for her... medicine. Now, she’s the only permanent GP in the Cunnamulla region in remote Queensland. She’s 500km from a CT scanner and 200 km from an ultrasound machine. So when she sees a patient, she needs to have a few backup plans! Rosie is also the mum of Lydia, who is 4 and Fergus who is 2. And while she had an easy baby in Lydia, things were a little different with Fergus and Rosie really struggled. Rosie is a remarkable woman, and she’s extremely open about the realities of motherhood in the bush and life as a remote GP. In our chat we talk a lot not only about her own journey - but about the state of healthcare across rural Australia. This is her story.

And just a heads up this episode touches on post-natal depression and anxiety, if you need help, contact the PANDA National Helpline on 1300 726 306, or for urgent help call Lifeline on 13 11 14.

Our summer sponsor, nbn, values their partnership with the Isolated Children’s Parents’ Association (ICPA), and their strong alliances with the Regional Tech Hub, and BIRRR (Better Internet for Rural, Regional and Remote Australia) to collectively support and drive change for rural and remote families.

1. Isolated Children’s Parents' Association (ICPA):
   • Website: https://icpa.com.au
   • Provides resources and advocacy for rural and remote families, including education and connectivity support.
2. Regional Tech Hub:
   • Website: https://www.regionaltechhub.org.au
   • Offers free advice, resources, and guidance to improve internet connections and digital skills for rural communities.
3. BIRRR (Better Internet for Rural, Regional and Remote Australia):
   • Website: https://www.birrr.org.au
   • Supports rural families by addressing connectivity issues and providing resources for better internet access.

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Phoebe White has had a lot of titles and lived in a lot of places in her 35 years. She’s been a PE Teacher in Sydney. A Fashion stylist in London. A High-profile real estate agent in Miami. But it’s the two she’s been given in the past eight years that light up her life, and have brought her home. The first is being a mum to her two daughters Camilla and Olympia, and the second, is being the custodian of a Mountain near her family’s property outside of Scone, NSW. Phoebe’s family have been farmers for 7 generations on “Belletrees” - one of Australia’s most famous rural properties. And she is the third generation to inherit Mount Woolooma, a piece of land with an architect-designed residence her grandparents commissioned as their own private retreat in the 70s. Now, the house on Mount Woolooma, the Woolooma Glass House, offers luxury accommodation on the side of the Mountain, and Phoebe and her husband Jonathan, Elle McPherson’s former wellness coach, run it. So how do you adjust from living the high life in Miami with supermodels as friends to running a family business in rural Australia? And what’s it like inheriting a mountain while raising your two young daughters? This is Phoebe White’s story.

Connectivity for remote learning, telehealth services, business, work and keeping in-touch is vital. Thanks to the nbn Sky Muster services, remote families can now access an affordable and fast network. To learn more about nbn Sky Muster Plus Premium satellite services, click here. 

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Weeks before Sonja Chrystal was born, her father was in a farming accident and became a paraplegic. Months after she was born, her mother packed her bags and left her paralysed husband and two little girls, and never returned. Her dad and her grandparents raised Sonja and her sister on a cropping and grazing property in the central west of NSW before Sonja found herself living and working in Sydney as a graphic designer. It was there that she met her fiance Jeremy, and the father of her son, Herbie, who just turned one. After her dad passed away, Sonja and her non-farmer husband decided to trade their life in Sydney’s Paddington and moved an hour from Dubbo so Sonja could run the family property. While running the property, Sonja and Jeremey decided to start trying for a baby. Things weren’t as simple as they hoped and after an operation, Sonja was diagnosed with stage 4 endometriosis. After booking in for a round of IVF, she then found out she was pregnant. Herbie was born in February 2024, but Sonja had never felt more alone. Sonja is a truly remarkable person and her story is unlike anything I’ve ever heard. From her incredibly unique upbringing, what it was like growing up without a mum, through to isolation, grief, a traumatic birth, a radiant sense of positivity, all while managing a property -  we discuss everything including the depths of her postpartum depression and anxiety that she’s been through and survived….. and how telehealth saved her life. This is Sonja Chrystal’s story.

A quick warning today’s episode discusses mental health including birth trauma and PNDA if you or anyone you know needs help, please contact Lifeline on 13 11 14

Did you know that you can check when to expect to be connected or upgraded on the nbn network through the ‘check your address’ tool? nbn can also conduct an additional analysis to confirm the availability of access to the nbn Fixed Wireless service at your actual premises.

To ‘check your address’ and learn more about the nbn’s fixed wireless expansion in regional and remote Australia check out our show notes: https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/regional

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From very early on in her career, Elise Petty was a go getter who wanted to make life better for rural people, no matter what role she was in. From working as Telstra Country Life’s General Manager in Armidale NSW, to being a Senior Advisor in Kununurra for Argyle Diamonds, whatever Elise has had a crack at,she’s excelled.  Which is why she thought she’d excel when she had a baby. But as we know, things don’t always go to plan. And very soon Elise found herself living on a property in the New England region of NSW, with a baby who wasn’t sleeping or putting on weight. That came following an emergency cesarean and 11 days in hospital. Because on reflection, Elise realised at that time in her life, she did need help.

That was 20 years ago. Elise now also has three adult step daughters. She’s  an Executive Manager at NBN, who are the current sponsor of Motherland’s Summer podcast season, and has been with NBN for the past five years. Today she joins me on this special episode to share her story in a way she’s not done before whilst also covering the critical topic of connectivity.. And the type of tech that’s available now that she could only dream of when she was growing up on the land doing distance ed through HF radio. This is her story.

• To check what nbn service is available for you and to stay informed about upcoming upgrades, please visit, Check your address | nbn
• If you are experiencing issues with your nbn service please contact your Retail Service Provider (the people who you pay your monthly internet bill to).
• Regional Tech Hub provides free independent telecommunications advice to rural regional and remote Australians Regional Tech Hub - free phone and internet support

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When you google Cathie Schnitzerling, you’ll be met with some remarkable career statistics. Not only was she Landline’s first-ever presenter in 1991 and the current Executive Producer of the show, but she is also an award-winning writer, producer, and media executive. Her career has taken her to Sydney, to Melbourne and to Brisbane. She’s worked across radio, TV and documentaries. But at the heart of everything she does is her love of the land and the love of her two kids who she raised as a single mum. 20 years ago, Cathie returned home from a work trip with her two-year-old son to find her husband dead. It was a shock, and a part of her journey that she very matter-of-factly reflects on in our chat, but it was this loss, along with her children that drove her forward. What Cathie did next is nothing short of remarkable. She raised her two kids as a single mum, climbed the career ladder and even got qualifications from Harvard Business School. As she says, she went full throttle on her career and motherhood. But not without burnout. Cathie recently fulfilled a long-held dream and relocated from Brisbane to a small farm in the Darling Downs two hours from the city, where she is learning to raise cows, chickens and guinea fowl. I’m grateful I met Cathie in person last year… while 10,000 feet up in the sky together. This is her story. 

By extending nbn Fixed Wireless network, high speed full fibre network services, and exploring emerging satellite technologies - nbn continues its commitment to lift the digital capability in regional and remote Australia in 2025. To learn more about the nbn’s investment in connecting regional and remote Australia, head to: https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/regional

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Connie Wood, her husband Matt and their 3 kids manage Wave Hill Station in the Northern Territory. A property that spans 3 million acres and is a 5 hour drive away from the closest big town, Katherine. And the realities of living on a remote station? We’ll, they’re a lot. When Connie had her first child, she used to drive a 300 kilometre round trip just to get to a mother’s group for some support and connection. The groceries are delivered by a truck once a week, and if anyone forgets to order bread or milk, well, forget it! And when their son was diagnosed with ADHD, Connie and Matt found support through the local Aboriginal health clinic - because the specialist in Darwin couldn’t see them for a year. But through all of this, alongside her own mental health battles, Connie is extremely pragmatic and positive. I thoroughly enjoyed this chat with Connie, especially the part where she talked about her kids being the light she needed through her darkest times. This is her story.

Warning: This episode discusses mental health and briefly mentions suicide. If you need support, contact Lifeline on 13 11 14. 

The ‘Innovate with nbn’ grants program has been designed to help innovative regional and remote businesses to thrive and grow.

Nbn is looking for digital businesses in regional and remote Australia who live and breathe technology in Education, Agriculture, Women in Regional Business, Indigenous Business, Health, & Tourism and the Arts. 

To learn more about the Innovate with nbn Grants Program and the incredible recipients, click HERE

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Cindy Banks always thought she’d have two kids. She grew up in a two-child household. Her husband grew up in a two-kid household. Two kids was just the norm. Plus, when you live on a remote station in Queensland, 135km northwest of Cunnamulla, two kids is a whole lot easier to teach distance education to, instead of say…four. But for Cindy, four is now her reality. Because she gave birth to 2 sets of twins in just under 2 years! I met Cindy at Channel Country Ladies Day in 2024, and knew instantly I had to have her on the podcast to tell her story. Mainly because she was so calm, and I couldn’t work out how a person with four girls under the age of five could be that chill. But, remarkably she was, and is, as you’re about to hear. On this episode we discuss the realities of station life, what it was like finding out she was pregnant with twins (again), her struggles, and the importance of filling your cup as a mother. This is Cindy Banks’ story. 

Our summer sponsor nbn has  developed some easy to use tools and resources to support you with your digital set-up from wherever you are in regional and rural Australia. In just 5 mins the nbn Online Helper will guide you through a short journey of assessing your internet set-up and usage needs to build a personalised set of recommendations that may help you improve your digital set-up, and gauge and improve your online skills with the nbn Online Skills Check and Resources. Visit: www.nbnco.com.au/learn/regional

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