Paul & April are joined by Matthew Phifer, MSEd, who is a therapist, speaker, trainer, and toxic relationship, narcissism, trauma and emotional abuse expert. Matthew is here to talk all about narcissism in the church: the different types of narcissism, the cover churches give for them and signs to look for.

He also tells us about the dangers of high-control groups like cults and how many churches aren't any different when they use FOG - fear, obligation and guilt tactics.

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