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In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Dr. Jen, DO, ABOIM shares her personal journey from emergency medicine to a root-cause, integrative approach that addresses why so many people feel unwell—even when their labs are "normal." She and Michael Rubino explore how environmental toxins, mold, and stress disrupt the body long before conventional labs detect an issue.

They also dive into perimenopause, discussing why it's so often overlooked in traditional care, how hormonal shifts can trigger inflammation and chronic symptoms, and what real support looks like during this phase of life. Dr. Jen explains how integrative medicine helps patients feel seen, heard, and truly better by addressing the whole person—not just the labs.

Timestamps
00:00 – Intro
01:45 – Dr. Jen’s journey: From ER burnout to integrative medicine
05:12 – What is integrative medicine, really?
09:38 – How conventional medicine overlooks root causes
12:27 – Lifestyle, environment, and inflammation
17:15 – The power of patient stories and listening
21:50 – Environmental triggers: Mold, toxins, stress
25:30 – Why the system is broken and patients are gaslit
30:44 – Functional testing vs. standard testing
34:19 – Dr. Jen’s approach to chronic illness
38:00 – The role of mindset and validation in healing
43:45 – Examples of real patient transformations
49:20 – Advice for patients who feel unheard
53:02 – What the future of medicine should look like
56:12 – Final thoughts: Your symptoms are not in your head

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