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Looking for a healthy home? Think the perfect house exists? Think again.
In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino sits down with Atlanta Holistic Realtor, Tori McGee, to uncover the realities of real estate and home health. From hidden mold to failing HVAC systems and toxic renovations, they break down what buyers and sellers must know to protect their families.

What you’ll learn in this episode:
- Why the “perfect” home doesn’t exist (and how to create one)
- Common hidden dangers in homes: crawl spaces, HVAC, water intrusion, VOCs
- Why healthy homes sell for more — and how to prepare your house before listing
- The truth about ERMI & dust tests in real estate transactions
- How to avoid bad remediation and negotiate the right way

00:00 – Intro & welcome to Never Been Sicker
00:22 – Meet Tori McGee: Holistic Realtor & Building Biologist
00:56 – How unhealthy are most homes?
01:30 – Buying vs. selling challenges clients face
02:50 – The myth of the “perfect” home
03:35 – Renovating vs. relocating: helping families decide
04:20 – ERMI & Dust testing in real estate
05:27 – Michael’s Florida home story: surprises in renovation
08:19 – Discovering termites, water intrusion & hidden damage
10:44 – Lessons learned from buying 4 homes
12:38 – Humidity myths: Florida vs. the desert
13:48 – Why remediation intimidates families
14:30 – The “wild west” of mold remediation & scams
14:57 – Why you shouldn’t buy at the top of your budget
16:45 – Even luxury homes have hidden mold problems
17:39 – Educating realtors & buyers about hidden issues
19:11 – HVAC servicing failures & their impact on air quality
21:38 – Why sellers should inspect homes before listing
22:25 – Healthy homes sell for more: value of transparency
25:11 – Why buyers should leave budget room for remediation
25:50 – Families learning the hard way with “perfect homes”
26:43 – Who wants healthy homes? Longevity, illness & wellness buyers
27:48 – Horror stories of poor remediation
29:30 – How Tori builds success with the right vendor team
30:27 – Negotiating credits vs. letting sellers “fix it”
31:21 – Final thoughts + where to find Tori

About Our Guest:
Tori McGee is a holistic realtor in Georgia, certified in building biology. She helps families navigate home buying and selling with a focus on health, safety, and environmental wellness.

🔗 Website: https://www.atlantaholisticrealtor.com
📱 Instagram: @holistichomeexpert

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Excess moisture isn’t just uncomfortable—it can make you sick. In this episode of Never Been Sicker, host Michael Rubino welcomes Nikki Krueger, Director of Marketing & Business Development at Santa Fe Dehumidifiers, to uncover the hidden dangers of high humidity and why proper moisture control is essential for healthy homes.

👉 You’ll learn:
Why modern homes are tighter, yet more vulnerable to moisture problems
How uncontrolled humidity fuels mold, bacteria, and VOC off-gassing
Why air conditioners and portable dehumidifiers aren’t enough
The role of ERVs, crawl space dehumidifiers, and ventilation strategies
Real stories of families impacted by humidity-related health issues
How the Change the Air Foundation is fighting for awareness and reform
If you’ve ever dealt with musty smells, worsening allergies, or mold problems, this episode is packed with insights and solutions.

01:00 – Nikki on how COVID-19 made people notice air quality at home.
07:55 – Why exhaust-only ventilation is a costly mistake.
12:40 – “You can’t energy-conserve your way to dry.”
19:00 – Crawl spaces cause up to 50% of a home’s moisture.
28:10 – Michael’s story of a 40,000 sq. ft. moldy home project.
37:00 – The $80K remediation fail caused by missed leaks.
40:45 – Nikki on the mission of Change the Air Foundation.

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When rashes, hair loss, vertigo, and crushing fatigue sent Michelle to the ER (more than once), she was told it was “just stress.” The real cause? Hidden mold—from an apartment that had flooded repeatedly and an HVAC system pushing contaminated air. In this raw, practical interview, Michael Rubino unpacks Michelle’s step-by-step journey: missed diagnoses, what finally revealed the problem (pro-level testing with HVAC running), why roommates can be “fine” while you’re not, and how toxigenic molds like Chaetomium can impact the brain.

You’ll learn:
Early signs Michelle missed (and why “sleeping 12 hours” didn’t help)
Why landlord “moisture meter checks” aren’t real investigations
The test that finally exposed the problem: air sampling with HVAC on
Hidden sources (under tubs, inside walls) and why baths can worsen exposure
How genetics (HLA types) and biochemistry shape symptoms
What to ask inspectors & property managers (and when to self-test)
The emotional toll: gaslighting, isolation, and staying resilient

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Chapters
00:00 Intro & Michelle’s first symptoms (rashes, hair loss, fatigue)
03:29 Thanksgiving sewage flood & sudden crash
05:21 New apartment → rapid decline in ~3 weeks
07:03 Vertigo, vomiting, cognitive dysfunction while driving
11:36 The “aha” moment: a bartender who’d lived it says “black mold”
13:08 ER visits, “it’s anxiety,” and months of dead ends
24:09 Testing that works: HVAC on during air sampling
25:03 Hidden source: Chaetomium under the tub/walls
29:36 Neuro effects of toxigenic molds; susceptibility & mycotoxins
35:12 Turning pain into purpose: Michelle studies to help others
39:55 Why awareness + better building/health policy matters

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Can you really heal from mold at home? Dr. Terri Fox, MD, ABIHM, joins Michael Rubino to share her safe, effective, and easy-to-follow Mold Eradication Protocol that has already helped thousands recover from mold illness.

Dr. Terri Fox, MD, ABIHM, founder of Boulder Holistic Functional Medicine and a Board-Certified leader in integrative medicine, joins Michael Rubino on Never Been Sicker to share her safe, effective, and proven Mold Eradication Protocol.

With over 24 years of clinical experience—and more than 12 focused exclusively on mold detox—Dr. Fox has treated thousands of patients. She is a Founding Diplomat of the International Society of Environmentally Acquired Illness (ISEAI), serves on the Medical Advisory Panel for the Change the Air Foundation, and is a proud member of ILADS and AAEM.

🌿 Her 2-Phase Protocol:
Phase 1: Bind & Unwind — gently teach the body to detox and metabolize mycotoxins.
Phase 2: Kill or Be Killed — introduce antifungals and biofilm support to finish recovery.
This protocol is designed so you feel better every step of the way. No crash detoxes, no giving up your entire lifestyle. Just a guided, proven path to healing.

Highlights
00:50 Dr. Fox’s “bucket theory” of chronic illness
02:30 Why mold is more prevalent today
05:20 99% of her patients who suspect mold are right
06:10 Why you can’t heal if you stay in exposure
10:10 Failed remediation & wasted money
13:00 Phase 1: Bind & Unwind explained
15:30 Phase 2: Kill or Be Killed explained
18:15 Diet & lifestyle: why anti-inflammatory is more important than mold-free
23:50 Dr. Fox’s 30-module mold recovery course
26:00 Mold PTSD & nervous system retraining
38:50 Home prevention strategies & new tech
50:18 Closing message: “You’re not crazy. You can get better.”

✨ If you’re mold sick, you can buy Dr. Fox’s course and get your life back.
🔗 Learn more at: https://www.drfoxmedicaldetective.com
🔗 Clinic: https://www.boulderholistic.com
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Heart disease kills someone every 34 seconds in the U.S.—but why is it still our #1 killer? In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino speaks with world-renowned preventive cardiologist Dr. Joel Kahn about the hidden drivers of today’s health crisis.

From the food industry’s manipulation of our diets to toxins in our water, air, and homes, Dr. Kahn explains why we’re sicker than ever—and what we can do about it. They cover:

✅ How food, water, and air quality drive heart disease
✅ The overlooked role of heavy metals and microplastics
✅ Why exercise (even small movements) extends life
✅ Detox strategies: sauna, plants, and lifestyle shifts
✅ The $100 test that could save your life (Coronary Artery Calcium CT Scan)

📍 Learn more about Dr. Joel Kahn: https://www.drjoelkahn.com

Short Timestamp Highlights
00:40 – Why heart disease is still #1 cause of death
03:30 – Prevention vs. treatment in modern medicine
07:00 – Food industry manipulation & “mouth bliss”
10:50 – Water toxins (lead, mercury, fluoride)
13:10 – 8,800 studies on air quality & heart health
19:20 – Exercise, incidental activity, and longevity
23:30 – Heavy metals & microplastics in our bodies
29:40 – Sauna therapy and detox benefits
32:00 – Wearables and the missing blood pressure monitor
37:20 – The $100 “Heart’s Colonoscopy” test you’ve never heard of

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In this episode, Michael Rubino sits down with Brantley May, a Building Scientist and Council-Certified Indoor Environmental Consultant with a specialty in Mycology. Certified by the McCrone Research Institute and the Oshner Medical Center, Brantley is trained in the examination and identification of fungal spores and pollen via microscopy.

Brantley holds certifications from the Building Performance Institute as a Building Analyst, Building Envelope Professional, and Infiltration and Duct Leakage Expert. He also has extensive credentials in mycotoxin identification, water damage, odor control, structural drying, infectious disease control, and energy efficiency issues, and is currently a student of Mechanical Engineering.

As a state-licensed mold assessor, Brantley carries the credentials to teach and proctor exams for other professionals seeking state accreditations in mold and environmental services. His expertise bridges the gap between building performance and occupant health — uncovering root causes of moisture, ventilation, and contamination issues that often go undetected.

In this episode, we cover:
The role of building science in indoor environmental health
Common construction flaws that lead to hidden mold growth
The dangers of moisture intrusion and poor ventilation
Why testing and building forensics matter for long-term health
Brantley’s top recommendations for homeowners and contractors

Whether you’re building, renovating, or troubleshooting, this conversation will change how you think about your home’s health.

📌 Resources & Links:
Guest: Brantley May — @brantley.iaq
EnviroHealth: https://www.envirohealth.co

Notable Timestamp Highlights
00:00 — Intro to Brantley May & building forensics
01:20 — Common moisture issues in different climates
03:44 — Hidden mold in “clean” homes
07:14 — Spray foam attic pros & cons explained
12:44 — Why most spray foam attics fail in humid climates
15:44 — Chemical off-gassing & ROI concerns
17:50 — Tight homes & ventilation needs
22:34 — Ideal ACH & fresh air intake strategies
28:31 — Why ERVs don’t work well in humid climates
31:33 — Vented attic pros
36:07 — Vented attic cons & condensation risks
40:19 — Retrofits vs. new builds: where to start
43:24 — The soffit-blocking insulation mistake
47:17 — Common HVAC system failures
49:39 — Why proper sizing is critical for humidity control
53:04 — Duct balancing & pressure issues
55:14 — Why most HVAC techs don’t address air quality
57:45 — How to work with Brantley

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After 40 years unknowingly living with hidden mold in his NYC apartment, Lance Evans was finally diagnosed—after decades of chronic illness, failed treatments, and unanswered questions. In this episode, Lance shares how mold derailed his life, the breakthrough that finally brought healing, and how he’s now helping others avoid the same fate.

💊 He developed Lipid Magic, a fresh phospholipid product to support detox and cellular repair.
📘 He’s also the author of "Beat Toxic Mold on the Cheap", a 300-page DIY survival guide available in a free abridged version.

Timestamp Highlights
00:00 – Intro: Meet Lance Evans, toxic mold survivor
01:30 – Chronic illness starts at 18 despite being a fitness trainer
06:00 – Years of experimental treatments: Atkins clinic, IVs, gamma globulin
07:45 – Lipid-based formula (similar to Lorenzo’s Oil) brings temporary recovery
13:30 – Court-mandated remediation reveals black mold behind walls
15:00 – Symptoms return; son also affected
17:00 – Lance begins working on Lipid Magic
19:00 – "Mold makes us poor": the financial + health toll
22:00 – Why fresh phospholipids matter (vs. shelf pills)
26:00 – Mold damages fat, nerves, and mitochondria
30:00 – Book release: Beat Toxic Mold on the Cheap
33:00 – Natural, low-cost solutions for mold victims
37:00 – Pharma industry perspective: root cause vs. quick fixes
41:00 – Kale vs. binders for detox
45:00 – Mold disparities: rich families vs. moldy RVs
52:00 – Mold stigma and the hidden epidemic
56:00 – DIY filters, petri dish testing, and affordable remediation hacks
1:00:00 – Lance’s earlier book: Outrunning Cancer—now tied to mold
1:02:00 – Final message: “No survivor gets left behind”

If you’ve been affected by mold and don’t know where to turn—this episode is for you.
🔗 Get the book + resources: https://toxicmoldsurvivors.com
📦 Lipid Magic: https://lipidmagic.com
🧠 Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/toxicmoldsurvivors
🖥️ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWli6JMy6ts 
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Dr. Steven Gundry joins Michael Rubino to reveal why America has never been sicker—and how three major changes from the 1970s triggered a wave of chronic illness we’re still battling today. From microbiome damage and leaky gut to mold exposure, glyphosate, and indoor air quality, this episode breaks down what’s really driving today’s health epidemic.

Learn more from Dr. Gundry:
▪️ Website: https://drgundry.com
▪️ Products: https://gundrymd.com
▪️ Telemedicine: https://gundryhealth.com

Takeaways
We've never been sicker than we are today.
The best medical system doesn't equate to better health.
The microbiome is crucial for our immune system.
Leaky gut is a significant health issue.
Antibiotics have harmed our gut health.
Glyphosate is an antibiotic that affects bacteria.
Mold exposure can lead to serious health problems.
Restoring the microbiome takes time and effort.
Fermentation can help detoxify harmful plant compounds.
Hydrogen gas from the microbiome is vital for health.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Dr. Steven Gundry
01:13 Why we’ve “never been sicker”
02:17 How the 1970s created a health crisis
04:36 Mold vs. bacteria: a natural war
05:38 Microbiome strength in centenarians
06:07 The microbiome destruction from antibiotics
08:05 NSAIDs and gut lining damage
10:30 Glyphosate’s hidden antibiotic role
13:28 How crops are sprayed with glyphosate pre-harvest
18:33 Leaky gut, autoimmune disease, and inflammation
24:23 Traditional food prep that detoxifies plants
27:50 How long it actually takes to heal leaky gut
31:30 Gundry’s mold case study in a patient home
34:59 Best spot to place your air purifier
36:04 Mold, indoor air, and gut health
38:27 Microplastics and hydrogen gas production
39:26 Dr. Gundry’s hydrogen product and why it matters
41:20 Where to find Dr. Gundry and his work

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In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Dr. Jen, DO, ABOIM shares her personal journey from emergency medicine to a root-cause, integrative approach that addresses why so many people feel unwell—even when their labs are "normal." She and Michael Rubino explore how environmental toxins, mold, and stress disrupt the body long before conventional labs detect an issue.

They also dive into perimenopause, discussing why it's so often overlooked in traditional care, how hormonal shifts can trigger inflammation and chronic symptoms, and what real support looks like during this phase of life. Dr. Jen explains how integrative medicine helps patients feel seen, heard, and truly better by addressing the whole person—not just the labs.

Timestamps
00:00 – Intro
01:45 – Dr. Jen’s journey: From ER burnout to integrative medicine
05:12 – What is integrative medicine, really?
09:38 – How conventional medicine overlooks root causes
12:27 – Lifestyle, environment, and inflammation
17:15 – The power of patient stories and listening
21:50 – Environmental triggers: Mold, toxins, stress
25:30 – Why the system is broken and patients are gaslit
30:44 – Functional testing vs. standard testing
34:19 – Dr. Jen’s approach to chronic illness
38:00 – The role of mindset and validation in healing
43:45 – Examples of real patient transformations
49:20 – Advice for patients who feel unheard
53:02 – What the future of medicine should look like
56:12 – Final thoughts: Your symptoms are not in your head

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In this emotional episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino sits down with Dave and Sandi, a couple whose lives were completely upended by mold exposure and the systemic failures that followed. What began as hope for healing three years ago has spiraled into continued housing instability, financial devastation, worsening health, and deep emotional loss.

Dave and Sandi share their harrowing journey—three failed mold remediations, being gaslit by professionals, forced to sell their home for a loss, and experiencing homelessness not once, but twice. Their children have suffered lasting health issues, and the family has struggled to recover physically, emotionally, and financially.

Together, they expose the deep cracks in the system: mold remediation gone wrong, a lack of regulation and oversight, rental properties with persistent mold issues, doctors who dismiss mold illness, and insurance policies that deny support. They also speak candidly about the stigma, shame, and isolation that come with mold illness—and the desperate need for change.

Through their vulnerability, Dave and Sandi offer not only a powerful warning but a call to action: better education, industry accountability, legislation, and community support for those affected by mold-related illness.

👉 GoFundMe link to support Dave and Sandi: https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-the-kyles?attribution_id=sl:16f99f75-e9ce-459e-bbde-aca225f51bd1&lang=en_US&utm_campaign=man_ss_icons&utm_medium=customer&utm_source=copy_link

Key Highlights:
Forced to sell their mold-infested home at a major loss
Multiple failed remediations worsened their health and finances
Ongoing symptoms in their children from long-term exposure
Struggled with unemployment, homelessness, and stigma
Urgent call for reform in remediation, healthcare, and housing

Episode Timestamps
00:00 – Intro + Catching up after 3 years
01:00 – Initial hope after moving into a mold-free rental
03:30 – Legal battle and first signs of long-term effects
05:50 – Selling their home & emotional/financial fallout
08:40 – Ongoing rental struggles & recurring mold exposure
11:55 – Lessons learned + standing firm in their truth
14:10 – Do they regret leaving the home? Reflections
16:25 – Lasting impact on their children’s health
18:50 – Lack of awareness in community and government
22:15 – Contractor failures & lack of regulation
24:50 – Link between mold, inflammation & chronic illness
27:30 – Economic cost vs. public mold support programs
30:45 – Mold in military housing & schools
34:40 – Why the U.S. is uniquely vulnerable to mold
36:05 – Mold stigma, gaslighting, and growing sensitivity
39:45 – The need for education, policy change, and support
44:30 – Impact on career and social life due to mold
50:30 – How the community can help + GoFundMe discussion
54:50 – Living on the edge: lease ending, no safety net
58:45 – Dave’s professional background & job search challenges
1:03:15 – Final reflections + staying hopeful through hardship
1:06:30 – Parenting through mold trauma & lost milestones
1:10:30 – Looking ahead: turning pain into purpose
1:12:30 – Closing remarks + GoFundMe reminder

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