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In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino talks with functional medicine expert Dr. Will Cole about why chronic symptoms are becoming the norm and why “common” doesn’t mean normal. Dr. Cole breaks down the epigenetic mismatch between our biology and the modern world, including food quality, environmental toxins (like mold), and chronic stress and trauma.

They also discuss the “big bucket vs small bucket” concept, why some people are hit harder by exposures, and why conventional medicine often misses the root causes behind fatigue, anxiety, inflammation, and metabolic dysfunction. Dr. Cole shares what he’s been saying for years that is now mainstream, plus what he’s building next with Longevity RX.

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🔵 About Dr. Will Cole
Dr. Will Cole is a leading functional medicine expert who consults people around the globe, starting one of the first functional medicine telehealth centers in the world over a decade ago. Named one of the top 50 functional and integrative doctors in the nation, Dr. Will Cole provides a functional medicine approach for thyroid issues, autoimmune conditions, hormonal imbalances, digestive disorders, and brain problems. He is also the host of the popular The Art Of Being Well podcast and the New York Times bestselling author of Intuitive Fasting, Ketotarian, The Inflammation Spectrum and Gut Feelings.

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In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino sits down with Dr. Evan Hirsch to break down what he calls the “Toxic Five,” the root drivers he sees behind long COVID and chronic fatigue syndrome: heavy metals, chemicals, molds, infections, and nervous system dysfunction (trauma).

Dr. Hirsch explains where common exposures come from (including mercury from dental fillings and higher mercury levels in larger fish), why toxic burden can start before birth, and how chemicals and plastics accumulate over time. He also shares why testing can be imperfect and why relying too heavily on labs can leave people stuck, plus what he believes actually moves the needle when someone has chronic fatigue or long COVID symptoms.

They also dive into mold, why proper remediation matters, and why incomplete remediation can keep people in a cycle of re-exposure and stalled progress.

Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to the Toxic Five
02:53 Understanding Heavy Metals and Their Sources
05:47 Chemical Exposures and Their Impact
09:01 Nervous System Dysfunction and Trauma
11:56 The Role of Infections in Chronic Illness
15:10 The Importance of Testing and Treatment
18:07 The Impact of Mold on Health
21:12 The Process of Mold Remediation
23:48 Chronic Fatigue and Its Assessment
26:55 The Energy MD Program Overview
30:05 Mindset and Its Role in Healing
33:11 Conspiracies and Truths in Medicine
36:05 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

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🔵 About Evan H. Hirsch, MD
Evan H. Hirsch, MD, also known as EnergyMD, specializes in helping people with Long COVID and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) resolve their symptoms naturally so they can get back to living their best lives. After recovering from his own five-year battle with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, he created the EnergyMD Method, a research-informed and clinically tested four-step process that addresses the “Toxic Five,” the real root causes of fatigue. Through his best-selling book, podcast, and virtual program serving clients across the United States, Canada, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand, Dr. Hirsch has helped thousands of people regain their energy and return to the activities they love. He has been featured on TV, podcasts, and summits, and when he is not supporting clients, you can find him singing musicals, dancing hip hop, learning languages, and traveling with his family.

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In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino interviews healthcare entrepreneur Vivienne Reign about why modern “healthcare” often functions as sick care and why so many people feel worse than ever despite medical advances.

Vivienne breaks down the insurance model, the mindset shift required to pursue real wellness, and the difference between proactive biohacking vs reactive medical intervention. They also dive deep into red light therapy, including what makes a device legitimate (wavelength, dose, distance, power, and FDA clearance), how to avoid low-quality products, and how red light can support circulation, inflammation, pain, and neuropathy outcomes.

This conversation also covers pelvic floor dysfunction in men and women, why common advice like kegels misses key involuntary muscles, and how improving pelvic floor function can impact sleep quality, incontinence, and long-term quality of life.

If you feel like you pay for insurance but still have to figure out your health on your own, this episode will help you rethink the system and take back control.

🔵 Vivienne Reign:
Vivienne is a healthcare entrepreneur and founder focused on making science-backed wellness and innovative treatments more accessible. With a background in sales and building high-performing clinics, she helps bridge the gap between what patients need and what the traditional system delivers, with an emphasis on outcomes, education, and proactive health.

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In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino sits down with Dr. Paul O’Malley, a holistic, reconstructive, biomimetic cosmetic dentist, to unpack the “silent epidemic” impacting millions worldwide: gum disease and tooth decay.

Dr. O’Malley explains why oral health is not just about teeth, it is about the oral microbiome, balance, and how everyday products can influence the ecosystem in your mouth. They discuss why the “kill everything” approach can backfire, how certain mouthwashes may disrupt beneficial bacteria, and why restoring balance matters.

Topics covered:
1. The silent epidemic of gum disease and chronic tooth decay
2. What the oral microbiome is and why balance matters
3. Mouthwash, bacteria, and the nitric oxide pathway
4. Environmental parallels: “nuke it” culture vs targeted support
5. Mercury amalgam fillings and why safe removal protocols matter
6. Fluoride discussion and mineral based alternatives like hydroxyapatite
7. Oral probiotics, remineralization, and practical tools for healthier breath and gums

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In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino sits down with Christy Hutchison, a realtor who specializes in helping people impacted by mold illness and CIRS find homes they can actually heal in.

Christy shares her personal journey of years of unexplained symptoms, how she realized the environment was a major factor, and why she now approaches real estate completely differently. Together, they break down what most inspections miss, why “new” homes are not automatically safer, and the exact strategies Christy uses to protect her clients during the buying process.

You will learn:
1. Why standard home inspections often miss hidden water damage
2. How to build an inspection “super team” (roof, HVAC, mold, and more)
3. Common red flags in homes, even in newer builds
4. How PTSD and nervous system stress show up after mold exposure
5. Practical prevention tools like leak sensors, trays, and humidity monitoring
6. How The Guardian works as an indoor air quality monitoring and alert system
7. Christy’s goal is simple: help people avoid the path she went through and give them real hope that safe homes exist.

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What does it really take to rebuild a home the right way after mold or moisture issues, and how do you prevent the same problems from coming back?

In this episode of Never Been Sicker, host Michael Rubino sits down with Brian Johnson of Synergy 360 to break down the blueprint for healthier homes, from smarter building envelopes and moisture management to ventilation, filtration, and a “build back” process that supports long-term wellness.

If you’ve ever wondered why homes can still develop mold issues (even newer builds), or what it means to truly control your indoor environment instead of letting the outdoors control it, this conversation will give you a clear starting point.

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About Brian:
Brian Johnson is the founder and CEO of SENERGY360, a licensed General Contractor specializing in health-focused, high-performance home construction. With over 20 years of experience in the building industry, Brian is the only General Contractor in the United States to hold a triple certification from the Building Biology Institute, a distinction that reflects his commitment to integrating building science, environmental health, and human wellness into modern construction.

Brian’s approach is shaped by his early career as a certified lumber grader and his lifelong dedication to health and athletic performance as a top 1 percent All-World Ironman and Xterra athlete. Through SENERGY360, he designs and consults on homes that prioritize moisture control, indoor air quality, natural lighting, advanced ventilation and filtration, water purification, and non-toxic materials. His mission is to help make holistic, health-first homes the new standard in building design.

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Looking for a healthy home? Think the perfect house exists? Think again.
In this episode of Never Been Sicker, Michael Rubino sits down with Atlanta Holistic Realtor, Tori McGee, to uncover the realities of real estate and home health. From hidden mold to failing HVAC systems and toxic renovations, they break down what buyers and sellers must know to protect their families.

What you’ll learn in this episode:
- Why the “perfect” home doesn’t exist (and how to create one)
- Common hidden dangers in homes: crawl spaces, HVAC, water intrusion, VOCs
- Why healthy homes sell for more — and how to prepare your house before listing
- The truth about ERMI & dust tests in real estate transactions
- How to avoid bad remediation and negotiate the right way

00:00 – Intro & welcome to Never Been Sicker
00:22 – Meet Tori McGee: Holistic Realtor & Building Biologist
00:56 – How unhealthy are most homes?
01:30 – Buying vs. selling challenges clients face
02:50 – The myth of the “perfect” home
03:35 – Renovating vs. relocating: helping families decide
04:20 – ERMI & Dust testing in real estate
05:27 – Michael’s Florida home story: surprises in renovation
08:19 – Discovering termites, water intrusion & hidden damage
10:44 – Lessons learned from buying 4 homes
12:38 – Humidity myths: Florida vs. the desert
13:48 – Why remediation intimidates families
14:30 – The “wild west” of mold remediation & scams
14:57 – Why you shouldn’t buy at the top of your budget
16:45 – Even luxury homes have hidden mold problems
17:39 – Educating realtors & buyers about hidden issues
19:11 – HVAC servicing failures & their impact on air quality
21:38 – Why sellers should inspect homes before listing
22:25 – Healthy homes sell for more: value of transparency
25:11 – Why buyers should leave budget room for remediation
25:50 – Families learning the hard way with “perfect homes”
26:43 – Who wants healthy homes? Longevity, illness & wellness buyers
27:48 – Horror stories of poor remediation
29:30 – How Tori builds success with the right vendor team
30:27 – Negotiating credits vs. letting sellers “fix it”
31:21 – Final thoughts + where to find Tori

About Our Guest:
Tori McGee is a holistic realtor in Georgia, certified in building biology. She helps families navigate home buying and selling with a focus on health, safety, and environmental wellness.

🔗 Website: https://www.atlantaholisticrealtor.com
📱 Instagram: @holistichomeexpert

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Excess moisture isn’t just uncomfortable—it can make you sick. In this episode of Never Been Sicker, host Michael Rubino welcomes Nikki Krueger, Director of Marketing & Business Development at Santa Fe Dehumidifiers, to uncover the hidden dangers of high humidity and why proper moisture control is essential for healthy homes.

👉 You’ll learn:
Why modern homes are tighter, yet more vulnerable to moisture problems
How uncontrolled humidity fuels mold, bacteria, and VOC off-gassing
Why air conditioners and portable dehumidifiers aren’t enough
The role of ERVs, crawl space dehumidifiers, and ventilation strategies
Real stories of families impacted by humidity-related health issues
How the Change the Air Foundation is fighting for awareness and reform
If you’ve ever dealt with musty smells, worsening allergies, or mold problems, this episode is packed with insights and solutions.

01:00 – Nikki on how COVID-19 made people notice air quality at home.
07:55 – Why exhaust-only ventilation is a costly mistake.
12:40 – “You can’t energy-conserve your way to dry.”
19:00 – Crawl spaces cause up to 50% of a home’s moisture.
28:10 – Michael’s story of a 40,000 sq. ft. moldy home project.
37:00 – The $80K remediation fail caused by missed leaks.
40:45 – Nikki on the mission of Change the Air Foundation.

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When rashes, hair loss, vertigo, and crushing fatigue sent Michelle to the ER (more than once), she was told it was “just stress.” The real cause? Hidden mold—from an apartment that had flooded repeatedly and an HVAC system pushing contaminated air. In this raw, practical interview, Michael Rubino unpacks Michelle’s step-by-step journey: missed diagnoses, what finally revealed the problem (pro-level testing with HVAC running), why roommates can be “fine” while you’re not, and how toxigenic molds like Chaetomium can impact the brain.

You’ll learn:
Early signs Michelle missed (and why “sleeping 12 hours” didn’t help)
Why landlord “moisture meter checks” aren’t real investigations
The test that finally exposed the problem: air sampling with HVAC on
Hidden sources (under tubs, inside walls) and why baths can worsen exposure
How genetics (HLA types) and biochemistry shape symptoms
What to ask inspectors & property managers (and when to self-test)
The emotional toll: gaslighting, isolation, and staying resilient

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Chapters
00:00 Intro & Michelle’s first symptoms (rashes, hair loss, fatigue)
03:29 Thanksgiving sewage flood & sudden crash
05:21 New apartment → rapid decline in ~3 weeks
07:03 Vertigo, vomiting, cognitive dysfunction while driving
11:36 The “aha” moment: a bartender who’d lived it says “black mold”
13:08 ER visits, “it’s anxiety,” and months of dead ends
24:09 Testing that works: HVAC on during air sampling
25:03 Hidden source: Chaetomium under the tub/walls
29:36 Neuro effects of toxigenic molds; susceptibility & mycotoxins
35:12 Turning pain into purpose: Michelle studies to help others
39:55 Why awareness + better building/health policy matters

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Can you really heal from mold at home? Dr. Terri Fox, MD, ABIHM, joins Michael Rubino to share her safe, effective, and easy-to-follow Mold Eradication Protocol that has already helped thousands recover from mold illness.

Dr. Terri Fox, MD, ABIHM, founder of Boulder Holistic Functional Medicine and a Board-Certified leader in integrative medicine, joins Michael Rubino on Never Been Sicker to share her safe, effective, and proven Mold Eradication Protocol.

With over 24 years of clinical experience—and more than 12 focused exclusively on mold detox—Dr. Fox has treated thousands of patients. She is a Founding Diplomat of the International Society of Environmentally Acquired Illness (ISEAI), serves on the Medical Advisory Panel for the Change the Air Foundation, and is a proud member of ILADS and AAEM.

🌿 Her 2-Phase Protocol:
Phase 1: Bind & Unwind — gently teach the body to detox and metabolize mycotoxins.
Phase 2: Kill or Be Killed — introduce antifungals and biofilm support to finish recovery.
This protocol is designed so you feel better every step of the way. No crash detoxes, no giving up your entire lifestyle. Just a guided, proven path to healing.

Highlights
00:50 Dr. Fox’s “bucket theory” of chronic illness
02:30 Why mold is more prevalent today
05:20 99% of her patients who suspect mold are right
06:10 Why you can’t heal if you stay in exposure
10:10 Failed remediation & wasted money
13:00 Phase 1: Bind & Unwind explained
15:30 Phase 2: Kill or Be Killed explained
18:15 Diet & lifestyle: why anti-inflammatory is more important than mold-free
23:50 Dr. Fox’s 30-module mold recovery course
26:00 Mold PTSD & nervous system retraining
38:50 Home prevention strategies & new tech
50:18 Closing message: “You’re not crazy. You can get better.”

✨ If you’re mold sick, you can buy Dr. Fox’s course and get your life back.
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