WARNING: This episode contains mentions of Ben Shephard's For Skin. For the avoidance of ANY doubt - For Skin is the name of his new skincare brand (with Joel Dommett) but it's funny to say... and Kate says it A LOT in this episode.

This is Ben's second appearance on the podcast and he's always welcome - fun fact - Kate named her son (Ben) after Ben Shephard - so as you can imagine - there's a lot of love between the two - and it makes for an exceptional conversation.

If you want to find out more about Ben's For Skin (We did warn you!) then click here

Cheers!

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