Bobby and Jens catch up with Nicholas Roche as he sets out on a gravel challenge across the USA. Joining us from a truckstop in Arizona he shares his thoughts on diet and sacrifice, falling out of love with the road captain role, dipping his toe into commentary, how he represented France as a young man, growing up in the shadow of his father Stephen Roche, becoming a DS and his relationship with his cousin Dan Martin.

Bobby and Jens is a Shocked Giraffe production for Velonews. This episode was produced by Mark Payne and edited by Tim Mossa.