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Nicolas Berggruen on the Dynamics of Power, Wisdom, and Ideas in the Age of AI


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Nicolas Berggruen, investor and philanthropist, joins us to explore the dynamics of power, wisdom, technology and ideas in the 21st century.
Topics discussed in this episode include:
-What wisdom consists of
-The role of ideas in society and civilization 
-The increasing concentration of power and wealth
-The technological displacement of human labor
-Democracy, universal basic income, and universal basic capital 
-Living an examined life
You can find the page for this podcast here: https://futureoflife.org/2021/05/31/nicolas-berggruen-on-the-dynamics-of-power-wisdom-technology-and-ideas-in-the-age-of-ai/
Check out Nicolas' thoughts archive here: www.nicolasberggruen.com
Have any feedback about the podcast? You can share your thoughts here: www.surveymonkey.com/r/DRBFZCT
Timestamps: 
0:00 Intro
1:45 The race between the power of our technology and the wisdom with which we manage it
5:19 What is wisdom? 
8:30 The power of ideas 
11:06 Humanity’s investment in wisdom vs the power of our technology 
15:39 Why does our wisdom lag behind our power? 
20:51 Technology evolving into an agent 
24:28 How ideas play a role in the value alignment of technology 
30:14 Wisdom for building beneficial AI and mitigating the race to power 
34:37 Does Mark Zuckerberg have control of Facebook? 
36:39 Safeguarding the human mind and maintaining control of AI 
42:26 The importance of the examined life in the 21st century 
45:56 An example of the examined life 
48:54 Important ideas for the 21st century 
52:46 The concentration of power and wealth, and a proposal for universal basic capital 
1:03:07 Negative and positive futures 
1:06:30 Final thoughts from Nicolas
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