Granting personhood to oceans via a universal declaration of rights for oceans is seen by some as the only hope of saving them from further exploitation. Washington DC based expat Lelei LeLaulu, was born in Samoa, grew up in Auckland, and is a graduate of Auckland University, and is one of the key people involved in the initiative. He's also an advisor for the Global Ocean Energy alliance that's trying to help the Pacific Islands to wean themselves off the crippling cost of importing oil by generating energy from the oceans is the goal of a new alliance. The alliance was been launched last month in Lisbon by Small Island Developing States or SIDS heads of government, NGOs and corporates. Lelei LeLaulu is interested in the convergence of climate change, oceans, renewable energy, food security and sustainable tourism. Mr LeLaulu tells Kathryn as well as working on the new alliance, he's helping to set up a movement to transform the tourism sector into an humanitarian facility.