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On Courage and Curiosity | Phil Pizzo, MD


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A former dean of Stanford Medical School and past leader at the National Cancer Institute, Phil Pizzo, MD is as renowned for his groundbreaking research on childhood cancers and immunodeficiency as he is for his promotion of medical education. He is also a tireless scholar who continues pursuing knowledge and purpose deep into what many would consider the retirement years. In this episode, Dr. Pizzo shares what caring for children with some of the most harrowing diseases has taught him about courage, and how his creation of Stanford’s Distinguished Careers Institute epitomizes his vision for longevity and philosophy of lifelong learning.


In this episode, you will hear about: 

  • How Dr. Pizzo’s love of learning and objection to the Vietnam War led him to a career in medicine - 2:00
  • Teddy, a “boy in the bubble” whom Dr. Pizzo cared for and who profoundly shaped Dr. Pizzo’s career and life philosophy - 5:54
  • Leaning into the work of treating severe diseases, despite the realities of the deep suffering involved - 14:46
  • The guiding principles behind Dr. Pizzo’s time in leadership at the National Institutes of Health, Harvard Medical School, and Stanford Medical School - 20:01
  • How Dr. Pizzo manages to maintain tranquility of mind and buoyancy of spirit over his long career, and why he created the Distinguished Careers Institute - 22:51
  • The surprising next step in Dr. Pizzo’s scholarly journey - 30:42
  • Dr. Pizzo’s advice to young people about the value of a habit of lifelong learning - 34:40


Read more about Teddy DeVita, the “boy in the bubble” whom Dr. Pizzo cared for, in this Washington Post article.


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