Paula Radcliffe joins Gaby for a chat about all things joy!

She has a new podcast herself which they discuss, as well as the competitiveness she still has when it comes to running.

Paula is joined by her two children, who tell Gaby about having a fast and famous mum, and also about Isla's cancer diagnosis - which was a tough time for all the family, but something they pulled through together.

If you're a fan of running, of positivity, of staying joyful in the face of adversity - then this is a must listen for you!

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