When Kate Bowler was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer, she was forced to grapple with the cultural scripts that box us into a tidy story about how we "earn our lives and get what we deserve," and that "anything is possible." But what if those scripts aren't true?

She joins me for an open conversation about her chronic sadness, suffering, and pain, and invites us to be honest about the lives that can't be fixed. She reminds us that "we are people to be loved, not problems to be solved."

Kate Bowler is the New York Times bestselling author of Everything Happens for a Reason (And Other Lies I've Loved), No Cure for Being Human (And Other Truths I Need to Hear), and Good Enough. She is the host of the popular podcast, Everything Happens. A Duke University professor, she earned a master's degree in religion from Yale Divinity School and a Ph.D. from Duke University.