This week's show is with William Apple. William Apple is a Psychological and Spiritual Mentor, as well as a Psychodynamic Coach.

The Foundation of his Work is rooted in Carl Jung’s Concept of “Individuation”, and takes a new approach towards fostering a conscious relationship with that Process by quantifying a Depth Psychological and Psychoanalytic approach to the Inner Child as a Precursor to Shadow Work. He is Certified in CBT, DBT, ACT, IFS, and Polyvagal Theory, and his Inner Child Work is strongly influenced by Alice Miller, D.W. Winnicott, Jacque Lacan, Marion Woodman, Magda Gerber, Bell Hooks, and many others.

In this conversation, William and I explored, Phantasy vs Fantasy, what is meant by each, how to know which you’re engaging in, and how to work with them consciously.

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What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Phantasy means the spectres of the past are being projected onto the world, whereas Fantasy means what we generally think of the word - conscious engagement of imagining things (and being honest and accountable about that).

• Once this distinction between the two types is clear, it allows us to see more clearly how we show up in the world, not just to others but to ourselves.

• We rarely see others for who they are, we see them for who we phantasise them to be. Projections are the non-verbal hopes, dreams and expectations of what we hope that world will be like so we can feel safe. The hopes, dreams and expectations are coming from the spectres of the past - which are unmet needs from childhood which are now being projected out onto others and the world.

• The work of consciously working with our phantasies means being accountable for them, without shame, blame and guilt.

• Reclaiming and remembering how to consciously fantasise with our active imagination, particularly with our projections, can be so healing and also fun!

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• William’s Website: Aion Psychodynamic Coaching

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Thank you! Lian and Jonathan