Bobby Julich and Jens Voigt sit down with Phil Southerland. Phil is a cyclist and a team owner, an entrepreneur and a maverick. Someone who refused to hear "that can't be done" in this conversation with Bobby and Jens he reveals how he hacked his diabetes, took on RAAM and created the Novo Nordisk professional team solely made up of type one diabetics. He also reveals his current project - Supersapiens where his pioneering work is now being adapted for non-diabetics to squeeze the maximum out of their performances.

This episode is a Velonews production in association with Shocked Giraffe. The producer was Mark Payne and this episode was edited by Tim Mossa.