Thomas is joined by global wellbeing and wellbeing economics expert, program facilitator, and researcher, Julia Kim. They discuss how Bhutan's holistic approach to economics, deeply rooted in spiritual and cultural values, prioritizes individual and collective happiness and wellbeing over profit and expansion of capital.

Julia explains the concept of Gross National Happiness (GNH) in Bhutan, contrasting it with the more conventional measure of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and how this system is more regenerative than extractive, less driven by overconsumption, and leads to better outcomes for people and the environment.

At a time of personal and collective trauma, burnout, and loss of hope, strengthening our capacity for inner wellbeing and authentic leadership is critical for enabling and inspiring wider organizational and systemic transformations. 

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Julia Kim is an explorer of the terrain connecting inner transformation and systems change. She draws on her past career as a physician and public health researcher in Africa and Asia, Senior Policy Advisor at the United Nations (UNDP and UNICEF), and Program Director at the Gross National Happiness (GNH) Centre Bhutan. She integrates global experience in the fields of leadership development, contemplative practice, program facilitation, research, and policy in the fields of wellbeing, wellbeing economics, global health, and sustainable development. Julia is an associate of the Presencing Institute, and an Executive Committee member of the Club of Rome. She holds degrees from Cornell University, the University of Manitoba, Tufts University, and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

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👉 https://www.linkedin.com/in/julia-kim-36873644/ 

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Thomas is joined by celebrated author, educator, and meditation teacher, Ruth King. They explore the profound responsibilities and perspectives that come with eldership and the importance of presence in guiding others. Ruth shares her wisdom on racial healing, the power of community, and the role of artistry as cultural medicine.

She and Thomas explore the healing potential of mindful communication and the value of embracing impermanence to alleviate suffering. Ruth also shares reflections on integrating Buddhist Dharma teachings into social contexts and how words can heal when used with conscious intention.

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👉 https://ruthking.net/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Thomas is joined by playwright, author, performer, activist, and creator of “The Vagina Monologues,” V (formerly Eve Ensler.) They discuss the profound impact of trauma and the power of healing through collective and community-based approaches.

V shares her personal journey from a tumultuous childhood to becoming a global advocate for women's rights, emphasizing the transformative power of love, art, performance, and community in overcoming trauma and reckoning with the harms of patriarchy.

They explore the revolutionary work of the City of Joy in Congo, and how its unique, supportive environment fosters healing and helps elevate women into community leaders. V's experiences in war zones and with victims of violence highlight the pervasive and normalized violence against women, influencing her life's mission to address this global issue.

This conversation includes the topic of sexual abuse. While it is not the primary topic, and it is addressed with care and sensitivity, we wanted to offer this content warning for listeners who may not want to engage with this subject.

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V (formerly Eve Ensler) is the Tony award-winning playwright and author of the theatrical phenomenon, The Vagina Monologues. She is the author of books including The Apology and In the Body of the World, as well as The New York Times best-seller I am an Emotional Creature.  She helped create the play That Kindness: Nurses in Their Own Words presented by BAM. She's the founder of V-Day, a global activist movement that has raised over 120 million dollars to end violence against all women (cisgender and transgender,) those who hold fluid identities, nonbinary people, girls, and the planet—and the founder of One Billion Rising, the largest global mass action to end gender-based violence in over 200 countries, as well as a co-founder of City of Joy. She writes regularly for The Guardian.

✨ Connect with V here:

👉 https://www.eveensler.org/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Thomas is joined by filmmaker, philanthropist, and activist Abigail Disney. They discuss how Abigail’s activism has been informed by the darker aspects of the Disney company and family legacy, and how that legacy is reflective of larger problems in American society.

They also dive deep into the idea of moral injury, which arises when individuals are forced to act against their ethical values, leading to deep psychological and emotional wounds. She and Thomas explore how moral injury can result from systemic failures and the personal struggles of those in conflict zones. Abigail critiques the tendency to flatten historical figures into one-dimensional heroes or villains, arguing for a more nuanced understanding of their actions and legacies.

She and Thomas agree on the need for collective healing processes to address the toxic impacts of hyper-individualism and the collective trauma of global conflicts. Abigail stresses the importance of remaining open to uncertainty, and advocates for humility and flexibility in addressing complex societal issues, suggesting that this approach is essential for building a more understanding and peaceful society.

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Abigail E. Disney is a philanthropist and social activist who has worked with organizations supporting peacebuilding, gender justice, and systemic cultural change. She is an Emmy award-winning documentary filmmaker and Chair and Co-Founder of Level Forward, an ecosystem of storytellers, entrepreneurs, and social change-makers dedicated to balancing artistic vision, social impact, and stakeholder return. She created the nonprofit Peace is Loud, which uses storytelling to advance social movements, and the Daphne Foundation, which supports organizations working for a more equitable, fair, and peaceful New York City.

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👉 https://abigaildisney.com

👉 https://americandreamdoc.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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In this guided meditation, Thomas invites you to expand your awareness and tune in to the subtle light of your soul.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Thomas dives deep into the foundational principles of collective healing, exploring the challenges of individual healing and the profound benefits of healing from trauma within a safe and supportive group.

He shares how the intimacy and closeness of group healing spaces enable participants to be more open and present, which facilitates a coherent and resonant experience for all involved. In these settings, the healing of the individual is amplified by the attention and emotional feedback of the group, and vice versa. Thomas also explores how this concept can be scaled up, and how what he calls “collective witnessing” could be the key to integrating and healing the wounds of the past so that our societies can imagine and create a better world for the future together.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Thomas is joined once again by New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen. They discuss the important work of reconnecting to our bodies, learning to fully embody our emotions—including anger—and what it takes to create safe spaces for difficult emotions to emerge and become integrated.

Elise shares personal insights about grounding and releasing anger, and the powerful healing potential of setting honest boundaries.

She and Thomas explore how increasing our inner resourcing and individual capacity for discomfort can help us detoxify wounds inherited from previous generations, bring us closer to nature, and collectively reduce polarization in society.

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Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books. She was the chief content officer of goop, where she co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. She was previously the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler and the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she served as the on-air spokesperson.

✨ Connect with Elise here: 👉 https://eliseloehnen.com

👉 https://eliseloehnen.substack.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by Christiana Figueres, an internationally recognized leader on global climate change. They discuss her extensive work in helping to create global regulatory frameworks around climate change, and how we can apply the power of our agency as a collective to work towards regeneration instead of creating more destruction.

Christiana and Thomas observe how our individual healing processes mirror the social transformation humanity must undergo to address the climate crisis. They explore how we can fertilize the ground of possibility and see climate change not as an inevitable disaster, but as a portal for change and an opportunity to heal global injustices. 

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Christiana Figueres is an internationally recognized leader on global climate change. She was Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change from 2010 to 2016. She directed numerous successful Conferences of the Parties, culminating in the historical Paris Agreement of 2015. She is the co-founder of Global Optimism, co-host of the podcast “Outrage & Optimism” and is the co-author of the recently published book, The Future We Choose: Surviving the Climate Crisis.

✨ Connect with Christiana here: 👉https://christianafigueres.com/

👉https://www.outrageandoptimism.org/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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In this special bonus episode, Thomas guides us through the 3-Sync Meditation Practice, a foundational meditation in Thomas’ teachings. “3-Sync” refers to the synchronization of our physical, emotional, and mental experiences. It’s a simple practice to help generate presence and digest whatever arises. You can return to this practice again and again when you are experiencing overwhelm, or just need a moment for space and integration in your day.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Thomas discusses three foundational concepts of mystical teachings: Awareness, Movement, and Ethics.

He explores how mindfulness synchronizes our awareness with our perception, how Taoism and other wisdom traditions help us integrate the past so we can be more present in the flow of life, and how internal regulation and spaciousness make us less dependent on external rules and validation.

Thomas emphasizes how these powerful spiritual tools can help us to deepen, evolve, and unify our experience of life.

✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ 

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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