Ready or not, AI is about to expose the leadership gap hiding in plain sight.

In this no-BS episode of Property Management Frame Breakers, Michael Fisher pulls no punches: AI isn’t just here to automate tasks — it’s here to separate true leaders from managers clinging to the past.

From scaling companies to mastering the shifts from VAs to AI, Michael reveals a hard truth: growth doesn’t stall because of markets or models — it stalls because leaders fail to evolve.

You’ll learn:
💡 Why leadership — not just systems — is the biggest bottleneck in scaling
🔥 How AI will expose weak leadership and force a new standard
🎯 How to train AI like a team member and reclaim time for high-value work
📈 The secret to boosting revenue per employee, not just per unit
🤝 Why companies that use AI best will deliver the most human, personalized experiences

Michael Fisher and Pablo Gonzalez go deep on why the future of property management belongs to bold, visionary leaders who break free from firefighting, double down on people, and harness AI as their ultimate advantage — not a threat.

🎧 Hit play to learn how to lead, scale, and thrive while others get left behind in the AI era.

🌟 Stay Connected with Us:
 
🤝 Connect with Michael Fisher on LinkedIn
🎙️ Follow Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website

Chapters:

00:00 Feeling stuck as a leader and hitting growth ceilings
03:12 Unlocking growth through leadership, not just effort
06:18 Moving from virtual assistants to AI as the next big leap
09:30 Developing AI as a leadership skill and learning to delegate
12:44 Delivering a guaranteed experience that raises the client bar
16:00 Breaking free from the standardization vs. personalization trap
19:15 Turning vision into reality with better implementation
22:27 Rethinking success with revenue per employee, not just units
25:10 Driving employee fulfillment and unlocking team potential
27:42 Embracing the transformational power of leadership in the AI era

Join host Pablo Gonzalez on the Property Management Frame Breakers podcast as he unveils the backstory and strategic approach that led to a remarkable achievement at the NARPM Broker/Owner event. 

Discover how strategic community building, content co-creation, and genuine relationship-building drove massive success and brand trust for Vendoroo. 

Learn about Pablo's decade-long journey of leveraging community value, the impact of AI advocacy, and the transformative results of their innovative marketing tactics in the property management industry.

🌟 Stay Connected with Us:
 
🎙️ Follow Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction and Event Impact
01:57 Personal Backstory and Business Development Philosophy
04:22 Building a Community-Centric Business
06:24 Success with JWB Real Estate Capital
07:21 Joining Vendaroo and Implementing the Relationship Flywheel
09:06 AI Alliance and Content Strategy
12:12 Executing the AI Pavilion at NPA Broker Owner
18:15 Key Takeaways and Business Insights
22:13 Conclusion and Encouragement

Rental property management is evolving — and simply fixing problems isn't enough anymore.

In this episode of Property Management Frame Breakers, Pablo Gonzalez, Chief Evangelist of Vendoroo, sits down with Paul Arrington ——Broker/Owner of PMI Arrico Realty and Property Management, and a nationally recognized property management leader — to talk about his unique approach on growing revenue in his business and be seen as an asset manager.

They break down why today's winners must move beyond daily firefighting and start creating visible, strategic value that owners can actually see, trust, and invest in.


You’ll learn:

🚨 Why reactive rental property management is becoming a liability
🔄 Best strategies for transitioning from property manager to asset manager
🏡 How property managers can help owners unlock home equity and build real estate wealth
🤖 Using AI tools to enhance owner relationships and communication
🤝 How creating positive owner touchpoints leads to lasting trust and freedom from daily firefighting

If you're ready to scale without the pain, turn everyday management into owner loyalty, and finally be seen and valued for the work you do, this episode is for you.

🎧 Listen now and access the roadmap to become the advisor owners rely on — not just the manager they forget

🌟 Stay Connected with Us:
 
🤝 Connect with Paul Arrington on LinkedIn
🎙️ Follow Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website

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Chapters:

00:00 From Air Force to Asset Manager
01:10 Touring Tampa and Content Creation Setup
02:41 Becoming more than a middleman in the real estate transaction
04:20 Landlord property manager vs. Asset property manager
06:55 Equity as a Strategic Lever
08:55 Zero Return on Equity: The Hidden Cost
11:50 Forecasting Over Reporting
14:50 Changing Owner Mindsets with Real Numbers
18:25 Portfolio Coaching via Zoom
21:20 Software Tools That Empower PMs to be Wealth Advisors
24:40 Learning from Institutional Investors: American Homes 4 Rent
28:55 AI as the Forever Teammate: Tools vs. Relationships
32:50 Inflection Points: Crisis as Opportunity
37:15 Partnering with Realtors Post-NAR Changes
41:55 Finding Properties Beyond Local Markets
45:25 Being a Wealth Builder, Not Just a Manager
49:00 Shiny New Tech Traps or Core Systems
53:40 Vendoroo and AI Done Right
58:30 Building Legacy Over Empire

In property management, growth is addictive—but dangerous.
While you’re chasing the next deal or door, your oldest, most loyal clients can quietly slip away.

In this episode of Property Management Frame Breakers, host Pablo Gonzalez returns to Stacey’s powerful vision of a trust-first property management company—but this time, he tackles the real question: how do you get from here to there?

Pablo explores why neglecting your long-term clients is the silent threat no one’s talking about, how to reconnect with your existing portfolio, and what practical steps will move you from firefighting to guiding.

You’ll learn:

🚨 Why your growth playbook may be hurting you
💬 How to fortify loyalty with small, meaningful signals
🧠 The mindset shift that separates today’s leaders from tomorrow’s legends
🛠️ A clear, actionable roadmap for turning big vision into daily practice

🎧 Listen now for a roadmap to scaling your business without sacrificing trust, loyalty,

🌟 Stay Connected with Us:
 
🎙️ Follow Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website

Chapters:

00:00 Why Certain Topics Stick and Shape Who We Become
01:30 How Jumping Topics Every Week Turns Podcasts Into Noise
02:45 Getting So Hyped on New Clients You Forget the Ones Who Built You
05:30 The Moment You Realize a Competitor Just Took Your Lunch
07:10 Why Stacey’s Vision Still Echoes in My Head Today
09:00 Breaking Down How Stacey’s Vision Still Schools Us All
10:10 Closing the Gap Between Where You Are and Where You Dream to Be
13:45 The Hardest Part About Changing How You Roll Is Often Unspoken
18:45 Simple Ways to Reconnect Add Value and Show You Still Care

A bold truth was laid bare: most PM companies profit the most when their clients suffer the most—through tenant turnover, late fees, and avoidable issues.

In this episode of Property Management Frame Breakers, Mark Brower —founder of Mark Brower Properties gets radically honest about the structural flaws inside most property management businesses—and what happened when those flaws showed up in his own team. After losing all three of his PMs, Mark went inward, rethinking alignment from culture to operations to pricing.

You’ll learn:

🧠 Why “psychological safety” isn’t about comfort—it’s about predictability
🛠️ How to fix your hiring process so it surfaces real culture fit early
💡 The subtle ways your pricing model might be eroding owner trust
🔄 Why fee-based incentives often reward failure instead of results
👥 What it means to lead a team through vulnerability—not protection
🚀 How AI enables “fixed-cost scaling” so your team can focus on relationships
📉 Why obsessing over RPU might be costing you long-term growth

What follows is a raw conversation about culture, ownership, and why the status quo might be working against your growth, even if your revenue says otherwise.

If you’ve ever wondered why something still feels “off” in your business, this one’s for you.

🎧 Listen now to rethink what safety, trust, and true alignment really look like in property management.

🌟 Stay Connected with Us:
 
🤝 Connect with Mark Brower on LinkedIn
🎙️ Follow Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website

Chapters:

01:28 The emotional impact of hearing “I didn’t feel safe here”
03:55 What does safety really mean in a work environment?
06:12 Balancing fast learning with team vulnerability
08:24 Wrestling with the contradiction between openness and consequences
10:46 Hiring mistakes aren’t always about the hire—they’re about the process
12:01 Probation periods as necessary discomfort in hiring
14:42 Creating a hiring process that filters for growth mindset 
15:42 Why new hires should be exposed to raw team dynamics early
17:21  A PM model that profits most when clients are hurting
19:18 The dangers of gaming RPU at the expense of value
21:43 The power of shifting from first-order to second-order thinking
24:56 AI, fixed-cost scaling, and the real opportunity ahead

In this solo episode of Property Management Frame Breakers, Pablo Gonzalez unpacks an idea that’s been rattling around in his head: what if the evolution of AI mirrors the invention of the wheel?

Not just the wheel itself—but how we first used it for pottery, then one day, someone turned it sideways… and everything started to move. That shift—from shaping clay to transporting people—feels a lot like what we’re experiencing right now with artificial intelligence.

Generative AI was the first big spark. But Agentic AI? That’s the wheel in motion. That’s when things really change.

Pablo shares why he thinks this matters right now—especially for folks in property management—and how this tech isn’t just about efficiency. It’s about rethinking the roles we play, the trust we build, and the way we structure entire teams.

He also brings in a powerful insight from Stacey, an industry leader he deeply respects, who’s already thinking ahead to what this means for the companies of tomorrow.

If you’ve been trying to make sense of where AI is headed and what it means for your business, this one’s for you.

🎧 Listen now for a frame-breaking conversation on what it really means to build the property management company of the future.

🌟 Stay Connected with Us:
 
🎙️ Follow Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website

Chapters:

00:00 The Invention of the Wheel: A Historical Perspective
01:26 AI: The Modern-Day Wheel
01:55 Generative AI vs. Agent AI
03:03 Reimagining Civilization with AI
05:27 The Future of Work: Thought Experiments
05:32 Case Study: Stacey's Property Management Success
07:15 Building a Modern Property Management Company
08:20 The Role of AI in Property Management
10:23 Trust Building in the Age of AI
14:49 The Exponential Growth of AI
15:41 Call to Action: Embracing AI

The biggest growth bottleneck in property management isn’t people, time, or tech.

It’s capacity—and most PMs are short on it.  That's why the most successful property management companies today are no longer just hiring people... they're hiring AI Agents.

That is just one of the big takeaways Jay Berube- executive coach, BetterWHO co-founder, and AI Expert- and Vendoroo's Chief Evangelist, Pablo Gonzalez, had after 3 days in Colorado for NARPM Broker/Owner.

In this episode of Property Management Frame Breakers, they catch up after the conference and break down all their takeaways around the current state of AI in property management going into Q2 2025.

You’ll learn:

🧠 Why the “more growth = more staff” belief is being challenged
 ⚙️ How AI maintenance coordination is transforming team structure
 📋 What Betty the AI Agent as a Coach taught us about property management SOP automation (and sanity)
 📈 Why AI-certified team members hit the ground running
 👨‍👩‍👧  Why capacity building for property managers is the new growth engine
 💡 How PMs are using agentic AI to reclaim their owner relationships

Jay nails it better: “AI isn’t here to replace people. It’s here to let people show up where they matter most.”

🎧 Tune in for a future-forward conversation about building teams, creating space, and redefining ROI in property management.

🌟 Stay Connected with Us:
 
🤝 Connect with Jay Berube on LinkedIn
🎙️ Connect with Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website

Chapters:

01:28  The Trust Gap That Makes or Breaks AI Strategy
03:55   How One Year of AI Outpaced the Last Ten
06:12 The New Definition of Profit in Property Management
08:24  Agentic AI as the Last Hire You’ll Ever Need
10:46 The Fusion Org Chart That’s Replacing the 150-Door PM Model
12:01 Why the “Do It All” Mentality is Quietly Burning Out PMs
14:42 Meet Betty: The AI Coach That Ends ‘Ask Susan’ Forever
15:42 This Chatbot Replaces Your SOP Binder
17:21 Turn Any Hire Into an AI-Native in Just 16 Hours
19:18 Capacity Unlock That Reframes Efficiency Forever
21:43 How One PM Cut Maintenance to 30 Minutes a Day
24:56 How AI is Rewriting the Most Dreaded Call in Real Estate
26:04 The Shift from Buying Tools to Hiring Solutions
28:01 AI Agent That 76% of PMs Would Hire Today

The days of needing a Fortune 500 budget to build AI tools are over. Now, any PM can build a chatbot or custom agent in a weekend.

In this episode of Property Management Frame Breakers, Pablo Gonzalez breaks down a game-changing conversation between Peter Lohmann and Wolfgang Croskey—and adds a third lens you need to hear: the builder’s POV from inside the AI engine room.

This episode dives deep into how property managers can stop fearing AI and start using it to become more human, more visible, and more trusted than ever before.

You’ll hear:

💡 Why the real threat isn’t AI—it’s closed platforms and outdated SaaS models
🤖 How PMs can use agentic AI to serve more doors without sacrificing personal touch
🧠 What it means to shift from workflow building to intelligence designing
📞 And why owners don’t want help desks—they want advisors

This episode is for property managers ready to build custom AI agents into their real estate operations.

🎧 Listen now and learn why AI won’t replace PMs—because it’s making the best ones irreplaceable.

🌟 Stay Connected with Us:
 
🎙️ Follow Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website

Chapters:

01:28 The 3 PM Mindsets: Operator, Tinkerer, Builder
03:55 Why Locking PMs into One Platform Is the Fastest Way to Lose Them
06:12 SaaS Is Facing an Existential Threat from AI Agents
08:24 Coaches Aren’t Building Workflows Anymore—They’re Building Intelligence
10:46 What Used to Cost $200K Now Costs $20—And You Can Build It This Weekend
12:01 Voice AI Shouldn’t Do Everything. It Should Know When Not To.
14:42 AI as Your Assistant—Not Your Identity
15:42 Owners Want Phone Call Culture—Not Help Desks
17:21 How AI Frees PMs to Inject Value

Caution looks smart—but what happens when playing it safe is the fastest way to fall behind?

In this episode of Property Management Frame Breakers, Stacey Salyer — Property Management Strategist, acquisition advisor, and founder of a remote-first PMC — breaks down why early adopters win bigger and why most property management companies are scaling backwards. From outdated org charts to hiring the wrong roles (and doing it too fast), Stacey shares how she built for flexibility, exited successfully, and now coaches other PMCs on how to futureproof a property management company.

This is a full-on mindset shift for PMs who want to stop reacting and start building from the future back–with modern org charts, remote teams, and AI that supports trust, not just efficiency.

You’ll learn:

🧠 Why “working in the present” is the biggest trap in property management
 👥 The radical team role Stacey would hire first (hint: it’s not a coordinator)
 📉 How to eliminate burnout by fixing your Monday—not your software
 🧠 Why trust and experience—not EBITDA—drove her successful exit
 🤖 How to use AI to automate maintenance workflows without losing the human touch
💡 What future-ready org charts actually look like (and why they scare traditional PMs)
 🎯 Why community-driven PMC growth models are the new growth strategy—and the best retention tool you’re not using

As Stacey says: “If you're working in the present, you're behind.”

🎧 Listen now to learn how to rewire your PMC for the next era — with fewer bottlenecks, more clarity, and a team built to scale what matters.

🌟 Stay Connected with Us:
 
🤝 Connect with Stacey Salyer on LinkedIn
📘 Grab Stacey's PropTech & AI Blueprint
🎙️ Connect with Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website 

Chapters:
00:00 From Zero Credit to Remote CEO
01:28 Why Most PMC Owners Feel Stuck (And What They’re Missing)
03:55 Why Strategy Starts With “What’s Coming”
06:12 The Remote-First Bet That Changed Everything
08:24 How Stacey Bought a PMC During COVID—And Made It Work
10:46 The Monday Fix That Transformed Teams
12:01 What Real Buyers Evaluate During Acquisitions—beyond EBITDA
14:42 Why Being Told You’re “Crazy” Is Often Your Best Signal To Keep Going
17:21 AI Isn’t a Tool—It’s a Team Member Now
19:18 Using AI to Reclaim Time and Rebuild Human Connection
21:43 The ‘Community Builder’ Role That Doesn’t Exist Yet (But Should)
24:56 Why Your Ops Lead Should Be a Therapist, Not a Technician
26:04 Making Even The Biggest Service Issues Smooth and Drama-free.
28:01 Get Out of the Property Management Business - Get In The WOW Business
30:44 High-Impact Way for PMs to Create Content Without Cringing
35:02The Personality Behind the Community Model

Major question: How to Turn Volatility into Visibility?

In this mini-episode of the Property Management Frame Breakers Podcast, host Pablo Gonzalez explains why right now—amid stock market chaos—is the best time for property managers to go loud (and how AI is the tool that makes it possible).

This episode reframes the crash as a moment of massive opportunity—if you’re willing stop being invisible and start using AI to actually to be seen, tell your story and build local trust fast.

This is about being the calm in the storm and becoming the go-to guide your market needs.

🎯 Want help putting it into action? Pablo is opening up a free 6-month Content Mastermind for property managers ready to show up, build visibility, and scale using AI. All you have to do is give feedback on Vendoroo once a month.

📩 To join the Content Mastermind, email: [email protected]
🌐 Or schedule a demo at: https://vendoroo.ai

Stay Connected with Us:

🎙️ Follow Pablo Gonzalez on LinkedIn
💼 Follow Vendoroo on LinkedIn
🌐 Visit Vendoroo's Website

🎧 Listen now and learn how to turn today’s market pain into your next big growth move.

Chapters:
01:36 The Stock Market Is Broken — And That’s Your Opening
04:44 Marketing to Pain, Not Just Potential
05:58 Storytelling Beats Spreadsheets
07:58 What “Being Visible” Actually Looks Like for PMs
08:01 A 12-Week Content Plan You Can Start Next Week
10:21 What PMs Are Doing with Their Free Time (Thanks to AI)
14:21 Why Now Is the Best Time to Market—Period