Return on Empathy (ROE)

Return on Empathy (ROE)

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Return on Empathy (ROE) episodes

  • Healing the Healers with Josh Hartzell, MD

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    In healthcare, almost no one enters the field without a desire to care—but good intentions don’t always translate into healthy teams or sustainable cultures. In this episode, inspired by Dr. Josh Hartzell’s recently published book, A Prescription for Caring in Healthcare Leadership, we explore the empathy gap in healthcare and why so many well-intentioned leaders struggle with execution. The conversation unpacks what caring leadership looks like in practice, how the absence of strong role models shapes culture, and why “a lack of know-how” often undermines even the best intentions. It’s a powerful reflection on leading with empathy—and creating the kind of healthcare culture most leaders aspire to, but few are taught how to build.

    Learn more about Dr. Hartzell and his book: https://joshuahartzellmd.com/

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective: https://www.theempathycollective.com/

    33 min
  • Speak and Own It with Casey Carpenter

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    In this insightful podcast episode, Rebecca Dhrimaj sits down with leadership coach Casey Carpenter to unpack the powerful intersection of introversion, confidence, and authentic leadership. Together, they challenge common stereotypes about introverts, explore the impact of imposter syndrome, and reveal how empathy and presence can transform communication in the workplace. Casey shares her personal journey from shy introvert to confident speaker, offering practical strategies for leaders—especially women in business—to find their voice, lead with authenticity, and create psychologically safe environments where individuals can thrive. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone focused on personal growth, empathetic leadership, and coaching approaches that honor individual strengths while fostering inclusive, high-performing teams.

    Sound bites

    "You’ve got presence."

    "You need ‘on ramps.’"

    "Empathy is not weakness."

    Chapters

    00:00 Breaking Stereotypes of Introversion

    02:55 The Journey from Corporate to Coaching

    05:28 Finding Presence and Authenticity

    08:11 The Power of Listening and Thought Processing

    10:58 On Ramps for Introverts in Conversations

    14:07 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

    16:28 Empathy in Leadership

    19:31 Strengths and Self-Awareness in the Workplace

    22:13 Creating a Safe Work Environment

    24:59 Practical Steps for Leaders

    28:02 The Ripple Effect of Leadership

    30:38 Closing Thoughts on Leadership and Presence

    Learn more about Casey and her work: https://www.speakandownit.com/

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective: https://www.theempathycollective.com/

    33 min
  • Empathy and Problem Solving with Melody Jaros

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    In this episode, Melody shares her inspiring career transition from math enthusiast and educator to UX researcher, revealing how empathy sits at the heart of both learning and user experience design. Through storytelling and real-world examples, she explores how understanding mental models, problem solving, and collaboration can transform math education and create more inclusive learning environments. Melody also reflects on how teaching skills translate seamlessly into UX research, helping teams advocate for user needs while balancing perspectives across tech, education, and design. This conversation is a powerful reminder that empathy, communication, and curiosity are essential tools for anyone shaping meaningful learning and user experiences.

    Chapters

    00:00 The Journey of a Math Wizard

    12:48 Empathy in Education and Learning

    26:11 Transitioning to UX Research

    38:02 Empathy as a Strategic Tool in Tech

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective: www.theempathycollective.com

    33 min
  • Everybody Matters with Bob Chapman, Bob Quinn, and Zach Mercurio

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    In this special holiday episode, host Rebecca Dhrimaj reflects on the powerful conversations she had in 2025 with Bob Chapman, former chairman of Barry-Wehmiller, and Bob Quinn, professor emeritus at the University of Michigan Ross School of Business, to explore what human-centric leadership truly looks like in times of change and uncertainty. Rooted in empathy, courage, and authenticity, the discussion underscores how strong corporate culture, community, and workplace well-being are essential to building resilience and sustaining meaningful success. As leaders navigate an evolving workplace—especially during the reflective holiday season—this episode invites listeners to consider how we show up for our people and why leadership is, at its core, deeply human. The conversation also offers a special glimpse into an upcoming 2026 episode featuring Zach Mercurio, diving into the power of mattering and significance and why helping people feel seen, valued, and needed may be one of the most important leadership responsibilities of all.

    For more on Bob Chapman, revisit Truly Human Leadership (Eps. 40) and Courageous Patience and a Safe Bus (Eps. 41)

    For more on Bob Quinn, revisit Deep Change (Eps. 53) and Inspiring Change with Empathy (Eps. 54)

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective: https://www.theempathycollective.com/

    22 min
  • Turning Pain Into Joy with Debi Lynn

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    In this powerful episode, Debi Lynn opens up about her extraordinary journey through loss, grief, and resilience after losing her four-month-old son and her job in the same week. She shares how a moment of crisis became the turning point that helped her rebuild her life with the support of her community. Today, Debi empowers women to transform pain into purpose—and even profit—through business resilience, storytelling, and healing. Tune in to hear her raw, inspiring conversation about finding strength in tragedy and discovering what’s possible on the other side of survival mode.

    Sound bites

    "Grief has no timeline.”

    "What brings me joy?"

    "Turning pain into profit."

    Chapters

    00:00 A Journey of Loss and Resilience

    08:56 Transforming Pain into Purpose

    Learn more about Debi Lynn and her work with resilience and grief:

    https://debilynnfl.com/

    https://www.friendsingrief.com

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective: https://www.theempathycollective.com

    27 min
  • Empathy by Design with Mike Laut

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    Discover how empathy, leadership, and design intersect in this inspiring conversation with industrial designer Mike Laut, founder and CEO of Laut Design. In this episode of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, host Rebecca Dhrimaj explores how empathy drives creativity, strengthens team dynamics, and fuels innovation in user experience and industrial design. Mike shares his journey from freelancer to leader, revealing how core values, authentic communication, and a deep understanding of users help teams tackle complex business challenges with clarity and purpose.

    Sound bites

    "The client is always surprised."

    "We never shrunk, only ever grew."

    "Boredom is cancerous around here."

    Chapters

    00:00 Welcome and Introduction to Lout Design

    04:17 Mike's Journey into Industrial Design

    06:44 From Freelancing to Building a Team

    09:49 The Role of Empathy in Design

    12:16 Understanding Customer Needs through Empathy

    14:59 Case Study: Designing a Tech-Enabled Sprayer

    17:38 Client Surprises and the Importance of Research

    20:14 Navigating Business Challenges and Team Morale

    22:50 Core Values and Company Culture

    28:25 Lessons Learned and Future Directions

    40:03 Introduction to Empathy in the Workplace

    40:12 The Importance of Emotional Intelligence

    Learn more about Laut Design: https://lautdesign.com/

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective: https://www.theempathycollective.com/

    41 min
  • Creating a People-Centric Wellness Sanctuary with Anqi Xia

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    Discover how empathy can fuel entrepreneurship in this inspiring conversation with Anqi Xia, founder of The Cozy Spa Retreat Group. Anqi shares how she built a supportive workplace for her largely immigrant workforce through flexible scheduling, open communication, and team-first leadership. She reveals how a caring culture not only strengthens client care and brand identity, but also drives sustainable business growth. Whether you’re a leader, an aspiring entrepreneur, or simply curious about building healthier teams, Anqi’s story is a powerful reminder that empathy isn’t just good for people, it’s good for business.

    Sound bites

    "Wellness is not just a service."

    "I try to build a caring culture."

    "Your success starts and ends with people."

    Chapters

    00:00 The Journey to Entrepreneurship

    02:28 Building a Caring Team

    05:27 Creating a Supportive Workplace Culture

    07:54 Flexible Scheduling and Employee Growth

    10:40 Balancing Business Growth and Empathy

    16:04 Advice for Aspiring Business Owners

    Learn more about the Cozy Spa Retreat Group: https://cozyfootspa.ca/, https://comfortfootspa.ca/

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective: https://www.theempathycollective.com/

    20 min
  • Addressing the Global Empathy Deficit with Mimi Nicklin

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    In this episode, host Rebecca Dhrimaj sits down with empathy advocate and founder of Empathy Everywhere, Mimi Nicklin, for a powerful conversation about how empathy can transform leadership, strengthen communication, and deepen relationships in both the workplace and the community. Mimi shares insights on navigating cultural nuances, addressing the global empathy deficit, and embracing listening as the foundation of meaningful connection. Together, they explore how small, intentional actions fuel personal growth and why empathy remains one of the most essential skills leaders can cultivate today.

    Sound bites

    "Empathy is a powerful message."

    "I see you."

    "We need a way to reconnect to ourselves."

    "Use people's names."

    "Every small step counts."

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Empathy and Its Importance

    07:12 Mimi's Journey to Empathy Advocacy

    16:20 Cultural Nuances of Empathy

    18:42 Understanding the Empathy Deficit

    25:01 Implementing Empathy in Leadership

    29:03 Practical Steps to Cultivate Empathy

    Show Links

    Learn more about Mimi and Empathy Everywhere: https://www.empathyeverywhere.co/

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective: https://www.theempathycollective.com/

    President Barack Obama’s 2006 commencement speech referenced in this episode: https://youtu.be/2MhMRYQ9Ez8?si=lFGCyASKQVPNZ6ly

    36 min
  • The Intersection of Empathy and Aesthetics with Chantal Mazzone

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    In this inspiring episode, aesthetic medicine expert and clinical director at Cosmedica Aesthetics, Chantal Mazzone, shares how empathy, leadership, and patient care intersect to create life-changing results. With over 20 years in the field, Chantal opens up about her unique journey from business school to nursing and how she built a thriving small business rooted in compassion and confidence. From restoring self-esteem through injectables to empowering her team with trust and positivity, this conversation reveals the human side of aesthetics — and the powerful transformations that happen when empathy leads the way.

    Sound bites

    "You see their whole world in many ways."

    "Patients come to you, giving you a hug."

    "You create a new person."

    Chapters

    00:00 Chantal's Journey into Aesthetic Medicine

    05:16 The Importance of Empathy in Healthcare

    06:41 Building a Patient-Centric Practice

    08:12 Creating Connections with Patients

    09:44 Advice for Small Business Leaders

    Learn more about Cosmedica Aesthetics: https://www.cosmedicaaesthetics.com/

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective: https://www.theempathycollective.com/

    30 min
  • Enlightened Success with Lin Yuan-Su

    Note: This episode was recorded as part of E3: Engage and Empower with Empathy, the original version of this podcast. It is now part of Return on Empathy (ROE)—a podcast series focused on the measurable impact of empathy in the workplace.

    What does it take to truly transform your life? In this inspiring episode, life coach Lin Yuan-Su shares her powerful journey from registered dietitian to life coaching, revealing how empathy, gratitude, and self-awareness can spark profound personal growth. Lin opens up about the mindset shifts that helped her leave an unfulfilling career, trust the process, and take courageous steps toward her authentic calling. Whether you're seeking a career change, craving deeper human connection, or wanting to align with your true self, this conversation offers actionable tools, heart-centered wisdom, and a reminder that transformation begins with a single step.

    Sound bites

    "Empathy catalyzes change and transformation."

    "We are all connected to the One Source."

    "All that’s required is the first baby step."

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Background of Lin Yuan-Su

    06:22 Transition from Dietitian to Life Coach

    12:54 The Power of Gratitude in Transformation

    18:31 Empathy as a Catalyst for Change

    27:42 Trusting the Process and Taking Action

    Learn more about Lin Yuan-Su and The Enlightened Success™ Institute: https://enlightenedsuccess.com/

    Learn more about The Empathy Collective:

    https://www.theempathycollective.com/

    39 min

About Return on Empathy (ROE)

From the publisher's feed

Return on Empathy (ROE), hosted by Rebecca Dhrimaj, is a leadership podcast for changemakers across all roles and industries—from the front lines to the C-suite—that confronts the critical blind spot of traditional performance metrics (ROI), which fail to measure how work is truly experienced and what it costs the people doing it. When leaders lack visibility into the emotional impact of decisions, critical warning signs—like unspoken risks and employee silence—go underground until something breaks. Featuring candid conversations with leaders across industries, ROE explores leading with empathy as a form of intelligence to detect risk earlier, make better decisions, and build organizations that endure by energizing, rather than depleting, their people.