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So many of the people I work with carry a quiet ache around their parents. They know they were loved. They were fed, housed and sent to school in clean clothes. And yet time with their parents leaves them feeling unseen, guilty or small.
In this episode I’m joined again by the wonderful Jessica Yip, Calling in “The One” coach and certified True You coach. We explore why love and hurt so often live side by side in our families of origin. Jessica speaks openly about growing up as the daughter of Chinese immigrant parents. She describes how the gap left by missing emotional attunement can follow us into adult relationships. Children may take on adult responsibilities far too young, or feel split between two cultures. They may learn to make excuses for behaviour that should have raised a red flag.
We look at the four types of emotionally immature parent described by Lindsay C. Gibson: emotional, driven, passive and rejecting. We talk about how each one shapes the way we love. We also explore the difference between healing and transformation, and why insight alone won’t change our lives. Jessica then offers a clear, compassionate path for relating to our parents as the adults we are now.
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About Jessica
Jessica is the coach for hardworking people who feel like they’ve ticked all the success boxes in life but are aching for more love and joy.
As a leading Calling in “The One” Coach, and now as one of the first certified True You Coaches personally trained by Katherine Woodward Thomas, Jessica helps clients graduate from old stories and painful patterns that keep love at a distance.
She brings over a decade of experience blending transformative coaching, somatic attunement and relational skill-building to help you reconnect with your aliveness, agency and power to create healthy relationships, meaningful experiences, and the delicious life and love you’ve always longed for.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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What does it truly mean to feel successful? In this episode, I return to From Mourning to Light Conversations to talk with my dear friend Sadie Beyl, spiritual grief guide and former architect. What began as an off-camera chat about retirement became a heartfelt conversation about living a life where who you are and what you do are no longer separate. Sadie shares how the sudden death of her husband, Paul, led her across a threshold into the unknown, and how following her inner guidance shaped a new life supporting others through grief. I talk about something I see again and again as a relationship coach: the beliefs we hold about love rarely stay in our love lives. They shape how we feel about money, visibility and success too, creating an inner glass ceiling formed by family, class, culture and gender. Together, we explore how healing that ceiling begins with self-responsibility, and how each of us can be a drop in a much larger wave of love.
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About Sadie Beyl
Sadie Beyl is a spiritual grief guide and the founder of the From Mourning to Light online grief summits, which bring together diverse speakers and authors to explore how people rebuild meaningful lives after the death of a loved one. A former professional architect who ran her own practice in Cape Town with her husband, Paul, Sadie now supports those in grief through her 10-Week Transformation Workshop, meditation, mindfulness, Angel card readings, and past life regression sessions. She hosts From Mourning to Light Conversations, a companion podcast to the summits.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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In the fourth instalment of Heather's series on conscious intentional divorce, she's joined again by family solicitor Colette Bane to explore two very different - and equally valid - ways clients move through separation: the pragmatic, who want the process handled quickly and efficiently, and the released, who use the ending of a marriage as the beginning of something entirely new.
Colette speaks candidly about the risks of moving too fast without ever processing the emotional side, and why unaddressed feelings so often resurface later, sometimes as PTSD, sometimes as friction in future co-parenting. The conversation then turns hopeful, as Heather and Colette discuss the phenomenon of post-traumatic growth - the women who come out the other side of divorce and, in Colette's words, "go out there and absolutely boss it."
From launching businesses to rediscovering who they really are outside a marriage that no longer fit, both women share real examples of transformation, including Heather's own story of building a therapy-rooms business in Swindon after her own divorce.
Key Takeaways
About Colette Bane
Colette Bane is a Family Solicitor at Knights, known within her professional community for her quiet composure, thoughtful presence, and deep commitment to supporting people through relationship breakdown with compassion as well as legal expertise. Colette is known for combining sharp professional insight with genuine warmth, helping her clients feel supported not just legally, but personally, through one of life's most difficult transitions.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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In this warm, wide-ranging conversation, Heather reunites with her good friend Sadie Beyl, founder of From Mourning to Light, for a follow-up to their earlier episode - this time turning their attention to a single, deceptively simple question: what does it actually mean to be successful? The conversation moves from Heather's decision to never "retire" from work that is inseparable from who she is, into something far more personal: the "inner glass ceiling" she's identified in her own life, built from childhood beliefs about class, visibility, and worth that shaped not only her relationships but her relationship with money and success. Heather traces this back to growing up in the north of England, caught between two worlds, and to a school culture where being seen at all felt unsafe. Sadie, in turn, shares the story behind her own path - the sudden loss of her husband Paul, the grief that followed, and the guidance that led her, step by unplanned step, from architecture into the healing work she does today. Together, they land on a shared understanding: real success isn't a number or a milestone, it's following your own guidance in service of others, and it starts with the same inner healing that transforms our love relationships, extended outward to how we relate to money, visibility, and even the wider world.
Key Takeaways
About Sadie Beyl
Sadie Beyl is a spiritual grief guide and the founder of the From Mourning to Light online grief summits, which bring together diverse speakers and authors to explore how people rebuild meaningful lives after the death of a loved one. A former professional architect who ran her own practice in Cape Town with her husband, Paul, Sadie now supports those in grief through her 10-Week Transformation Workshop, meditation, mindfulness, Angel card readings, and past life regression sessions. She hosts From Mourning to Light Conversations, a companion podcast to the summits.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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In this special crossover episode, Heather steps into the guest seat on Sadie Beyl's podcast From Mourning to Light Conversations. Sadie, a spiritual grief guide and founder of the From Mourning to Light Grief Summits, invites Heather to share the personal story behind her work as a psychotherapist and relationship coach - from a childhood blueprint of "look after everyone but yourself" through a first marriage that unravelled into distance and disconnection, to the Valentine's Day morning in 2016 when she finally set a conscious intention to call in real love.
Heather traces how discovering Katherine Woodward Thomas's Calling in "The One" work shifted something even a seasoned therapist hadn't fully reached in herself and the conversation opens out into some of the richest territory in relationships: recognising your patterns before they repeat, distinguishing destiny from unconscious wounding, and the practical, unglamorous tools (feelings-and-needs check-ins, weekly date nights, honest requests for change) that actually hold a relationship together over time.
Sadie and Heather also touch on grief, past lives, and what it means to build a relationship on a foundation of self-knowledge rather than chemistry alone.
Key Takeaways
About Sadie Beyl
Sadie Beyl is a spiritual grief guide and the founder of the From Mourning to Light online grief summits, which bring together diverse speakers and authors to explore how people rebuild meaningful lives after the death of a loved one. A former professional architect who ran her own practice in Cape Town with her husband, Paul, Sadie now supports those in grief through her 10-Week Transformation Workshop, meditation, mindfulness, Angel card readings, and past life regression sessions. She hosts From Mourning to Light Conversations, a companion podcast to the summits.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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In this powerful episode of Revolutionise Your Love Life, Heather Garbutt is joined by family lawyer Colette Bane to explore the important difference between controlling behaviour and “control freak” behaviour during separation and divorce. Together, they discuss how urgency, panic and fear can sometimes look like control, but may come from a very different place than coercive or narcissistic control. They also look at gaslighting, legal shielding, victim mindset, conscious uncoupling and how to stay anchored in dignity when a relationship has ended. This is a deeply practical and compassionate conversation for anyone navigating a difficult ex, a high-conflict separation or the emotional overwhelm of divorce.
Key Takeaways
About Colette Bane
Colette is a family lawyer who brings emotional intelligence, clear boundaries and strong advocacy to the divorce and separation process. She supports clients through complex family law situations, including high-conflict separations, gaslighting, controlling behaviour and difficult communication with ex-partners.
In this episode, Colette offers a grounded legal perspective on how to distinguish between anxiety-driven urgency and coercive control, and why clients need a support network that understands the emotional reality of separation as well as the legal process.
You can find Colette on Instagram at @Colette.familylawyer.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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In this sharp, funny and wonderfully honest episode of Revolutionise Your Love Life, Heather Garbutt is joined by Lucy Cavendish, Calling in The One and Conscious Uncoupling coach, therapist, author, public speaker, commentator and award-winning podcaster. Together, they talk directly to men dating in later life about what women often experience before they even arrive on a date: the grooming, planning, safety considerations, emotional effort and self-presentation involved. Lucy offers frank, practical advice for men on appearance, hygiene, self-care, health, confidence and respect, while Heather brings the deeper relational lens: how a man’s care for himself often signals his capacity to care for another. This is a lively conversation about dating, but underneath the humour is a powerful invitation for men to value themselves enough to show up fully, thoughtfully and well.
Key Takeaways
Effort communicates respect. Women often put significant time, care and safety planning into dating. When men arrive without similar thought or preparation, it can feel dismissive, even when that is not their intention.
Self-care is not vanity. Lucy and Heather explore how basic grooming, clean teeth, cared-for hands, good posture and looking after one’s body are not superficial details. They can reflect self-respect, emotional health and readiness for relationship.
Presentation matters because it tells a story. How someone shows up on a date can communicate whether they have thought about the other person, the occasion and the possibility of connection.
You cannot outsource your self-worth to a future partner. Heather and Lucy discuss how lack of self-care may reveal deeper hurt, neglect or giving up on oneself. A loving relationship may encourage growth, but it is not someone else’s job to rescue or remake you.
Dating well means being willing to rise. The invitation for men is not perfection, preening or pretending. It is to care enough about themselves, and the women they hope to meet, to become more alive, healthy, thoughtful and attractive in the fullest sense.
About Lucy Cavendish
Lucy Cavendish is a coach, therapist, author, public speaker, commentator and award-winning podcaster. Her work explores love, relationships, selfhood, coercive control, modern dating and how people can create more extraordinary relationships with themselves and others. Lucy is especially interested in helping people understand what love really is, how childhood wounds shape attraction, and how to choose relationships from a place of self-awareness rather than old pain. She is the host of the podcast How to Have Extraordinary Relationships, and her previous podcast Later Dater won gold at the British Podcast Awards. Lucy also works with groups through programmes including Journey into the Self and work around coercive control.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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In this rich, honest and deeply human episode of Revolutionise Your Love Life, Heather Garbutt speaks with coach, therapist, author, public speaker and award-winning podcaster Lucy Cavendish about love, modern dating and what it really means to choose differently. Together, they explore why so many people look for love in the wrong places, how childhood wounds can shape attraction, and why “chemistry” is not always a sign of healthy connection. Lucy brings warmth, humour and fierce clarity to the conversation, calling out the shame often created by phrases like “no one can love you unless you love yourself”, while also inviting listeners into a more grown-up, grounded understanding of love. This episode is for anyone dating later in life, recovering from old patterns, or wondering whether love can be calmer, kinder, more respectful and still full of passion.
Key Takeaways
Love is not just a feeling, it is behaviour. Lucy and Heather explore the difference between saying “I love you” and acting in a loving way. Real love is shown through care, respect, consistency, generosity and emotional maturity.
Shame does not help people find love. The idea that “no one can love you unless you love yourself” can leave single people feeling blamed and defective. A kinder approach is to understand self-love as attending to your own feelings, needs and desires.
Chemistry can be familiar pain. The person who feels instantly compelling may be activating an old childhood wound rather than offering safe, healthy love. Attraction is powerful, but it needs discernment.
Modern dating requires clear eyes. Lucy and Heather discuss the Burned Haystack Dating Method and how recognising patterns in profiles, texts and early behaviour can help women avoid wasting time on people who are not respectful, available or emotionally mature.
Love later in life may look different. Instead of chaos, fireworks and old drama, mature love can be calmer, kinder, quieter and more nourishing. It can offer companionship, freedom, physical intimacy, respect and the beautiful feeling of having “your person”.
About Lucy Cavendish
Lucy Cavendish is a coach, therapist, author, public speaker, commentator and award-winning podcaster. Her work explores love, relationships, selfhood, coercive control, modern dating and how people can create more extraordinary relationships with themselves and others. Lucy is especially interested in helping people understand what love really is, how childhood wounds shape attraction, and how to choose relationships from a place of self-awareness rather than old pain.
She is the host of the podcast How to Have Extraordinary Relationships, and her previous podcast Later Dater won gold at the British Podcast Awards. Lucy also works with groups through programmes including Journey into the Self and work around coercive control.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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In this powerful and practical episode of Revolutionise Your Love Life, Heather Garbutt speaks with family lawyer Colete Bane about the important difference between controlling behaviour and “control freak” tendencies during separation and divorce. Together, they explore how anxiety, urgency and fear can sometimes look like control, but come from a very different place than coercive or narcissistic control.
They also discuss gaslighting, legal support, conscious uncoupling, safeguarding, and how to stay anchored in dignity, clarity and self-respect when navigating a painful relationship ending. This conversation offers reassurance, insight and grounded guidance for anyone dealing with a difficult ex, a high-conflict divorce, or the emotional overwhelm that can arise when love has run its course.
Key Takeaways
About Colette Bane
Colette is a family solicitor at Knights. She supports clients through divorce, financial arrangements, child arrangements and other family law matters with a combination of legal clarity, emotional intelligence and strategic care.
In this series, Colette brings her warmth, humour and professional wisdom to the question of how we can navigate divorce more consciously, intentionally and with as much dignity as possible.
You can find Colette on Instagram at @colette.familylaw
You can also find her on LinkedIn as Colette Bane, family solicitor at Knights.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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In this second episode in our series on conscious intentional divorce, I’m joined again by the wonderful Colette Bane to explore the victim mindset and how it can emerge during divorce. We are very clear that this conversation is not about survivors of domestic abuse or coercive control. That is a different and very important subject. Here, we are looking at the emotional patterns that can arise when someone feels aggrieved, powerless, unappreciated or resistant to the end of a relationship. Colette and I talk about how victim mindset can delay and frustrate the divorce process, sometimes appearing like passive revenge, and why it is so important to work with a supportive team who can help you return to your adult self and make decisions from clarity rather than reactivity.
Key Takeaways
1. Not every emotional person is in victim mindset
Divorce is emotional by nature. Feeling grief, anger or fear does not mean you are in victim mindset. But when someone is in victim mindset, they are often highly emotional and may not be making decisions from their most mature, grounded self.
2. This is not about domestic abuse or coercive control
Colette and I make an important distinction: survivors of abuse or coercively controlling behaviour are not being discussed here. Those situations require a very different level of understanding, protection and support.
3. Victim mindset can prolong suffering
When someone feels aggrieved by the separation, they may unconsciously delay, obstruct or frustrate the process. This can create more pain and more problems than were necessary.
4. Communication is much more than words
Colette shares why video or in-person conversations can be so important. Tone, body language and emotional cues often reveal far more than written instructions ever could.
5. Support helps you return to your adult self
A lawyer can support the legal process, but emotional steadiness often requires a wider team: a coach, therapist, counsellor or trusted support network. The aim is to move from reactivity into centred, adult decision-making.
Reference Material Mentioned
Previous podcast episodes on domestic abuse, coercive control, power and control relationships:
Episodes around 60-66 - identifying power and control dynamics and protecting yourself in unsafe relationships.
About Colette Bane
Colette is a family solicitor at Knights. She supports clients through divorce, financial arrangements, child arrangements and other family law matters with a combination of legal clarity, emotional intelligence and strategic care.
In this series, Colette brings her warmth, humour and professional wisdom to the question of how we can navigate divorce more consciously, intentionally and with as much dignity as possible.
You can find Colette on Instagram at @colette.familylaw
You can also find her on LinkedIn as Colette Bain, family solicitor at Knights.
About Your Host
Heather Garbutt is a psychotherapist, love coach and accredited Calling In The One practitioner with over twenty years of experience working with women on love, relationships and the interior work that makes lasting change possible.
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Each week I write about conscious love, the interior work and what calling in a real relationship actually takes.
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If you are ready for structured, supported work to understand your patterns and call in the relationship you deserve, find out more about working with me here: https://heathergarbutt.com/services/
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From the publisher's feed
Revolutionise Your Love Life is a podcast is on creating healthy, loving relationships. From ending relationships that have run their course to finding new love and being the most fulfilled you can possiblly be.
Revolutionise Your Love Life is hosted by Heather Garbutt.

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