Ineos Racing Director Rod Ellingworth reveals his role in the cycling megateam. Here his stories from the early days of the Podium Programme with Geraint Thomas and Mark Cavendish, through Sky's Grand Tour dominance to the present day.... plus here Jens' thoughts on how he'd have handled Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome's famous disagreement...

Bobby and Jens is a Shocked Giraffe production for Velonews. This episode was produced by Mark Payne and edited by Tim Mossa.