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Rohin Shah on the State of AGI Safety Research in 2021


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Rohin Shah, Research Scientist on DeepMind's technical AGI safety team, joins us to discuss: AI value alignment; how an AI Researcher might decide whether to work on AI Safety; and why we don't know that AI systems won't lead to existential risk. 
Topics discussed in this episode include:
- Inner Alignment versus Outer Alignment
- Foundation Models
- Structural AI Risks
- Unipolar versus Multipolar Scenarios
- The Most Important Thing That Impacts the Future of Life
You can find the page for the podcast here:
https://futureoflife.org/2021/11/01/rohin-shah-on-the-state-of-agi-safety-research-in-2021
Watch the video version of this episode here:
https://youtu.be/_5xkh-Rh6Ec
Follow the Alignment Newsletter here: https://rohinshah.com/alignment-newsletter/
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Timestamps: 
0:00 Intro
00:02:22 What is AI alignment?
00:06:00 How has your perspective of this problem changed over the past year?
00:06:28 Inner Alignment
00:13:00 Ways that AI could actually lead to human extinction
00:18:53 Inner Alignment and MACE optimizers
00:20:15 Outer Alignment
00:23:12 The core problem of AI alignment
00:24:54 Learning Systems versus Planning Systems
00:28:10 AI and Existential Risk
00:32:05 The probability of AI existential risk
00:51:31 Core problems in AI alignment
00:54:46 How has AI alignment, as a field of research changed in the last year?
00:54:02 Large scale language models
00:54:50 Foundation Models
00:59:58 Why don't we know that AI systems won't totally kill us all?
01:09:05 How much of the alignment and safety problems in AI will be solved by industry?
01:14:44 Do you think about what beneficial futures look like?
01:19:31 Moral Anti-Realism and AI
01:27:25 Unipolar versus Multipolar Scenarios
01:35:33 What is the safety team at DeepMind up to?
01:35:41 What is the most important thing that impacts the future of life?
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