A talk with screenwriter/producer Brian Koppelman, known for many TV and film projects, including the poker movie Rounders, the show Billions, and the series Super Pumped: The Battle For Uber. Topics discussed: how he decided to create Rounders; Zach's writing about unintentional poker tells/behaviors he spotted in Rounders; the allure of reading people's behavior; the difficulty of reading behaviors in most real-world situations; and the anxiety-reducing benefits of transcendental meditation. 

Learn more about the show and get transcripts at⁠ ⁠behavior-podcast.com⁠⁠.   

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